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Hello world and additional licenses

Soeren_Rabenstein@...
 

Hello spdx mailing list

I guess I am the first new subscriber, since you went public?
My name is Soeren Rabenstein, I am in ASUSTeK's legal department since early 2009 and responsible for European legal compliance as well as implementation of a FOSS license compliance program.

Thank you for creating the specification. We are very interested in bringing forward the standard, since "Software-BOMs" form a key element of our compliance program (we actually switched to the term "BOC"="Bill of Code", to avoid confusion with actual, physical BOMs) and supply chain management turned out to be the biggest challenge over here.

As a first contribution, I compared the list of specified licenses in the spdx-draft with my own approval list. As a result I would like to propose the following licenses to be added to spdx. With the exception of the last item, these are all licenses I came across during my practice. I may add them myself through the wiki, but currently I cannot see a working wiki page on this.
I am also happy to dig our more licenses that are not yet listed.


License Identifier: ClArtistic
Formal Name: Clarified Artistic License 1.0
URL: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: XFree86-1.1
Formal Name: XFree86 License 1.1
URL: http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE4.html

License Identifier: Ruby
Formal Name: Ruby License
URL: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: RHeCos
Formal Name: Red Hat eCos Public License v1.1
URL: http://ecos.sourceware.org/old-license.html

License Identifier: eCos
Formal Name: The eCos license version 2.0
URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ecos-license.html

License Identifier: OSSL
Formal Name: OpenSSL License
URL: ? (No direct web source known, license text therefore attached to this mail)

License Identifier: ErlPL
Formal Name: Erlang Public License Version 1.1
URL: http://www.erlang.org/EPLICENSE

License Identifier: gsoPL
Formal Name: gSOAP Public License Version 1.3b
URL: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/license.html

License Identifier: SugPL
Formal Name: SugarCRM Public License
URL: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/SPL

License Identifier: YPL
Formal Name: Yahoo! Public License 1.1
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/yahoo_public_license_1.1.html

License Identifier: OLDAP-2.8
Formal Name: OpenLDAP Public License Version 2.8
URL: http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html

License Identifier: ZimPL
Formal Name: Zimbra Public License, Version 1.3
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/zimbra-public-license-1-3.html


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/


Kind regards

Soeren Rabenstein

____________________________________________________________
 
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
 
Soeren Rabenstein, LL.M.
Legal Affairs Center - Legal Compliance Dept.
15, Li-Te Rd., Taipei 112, Taiwan
Tel.: (+886) 2 2894 3447 Ext.2372
Fax.: (+886) 2 2890 7674
soeren_rabenstein@...
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dmg
 

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:30 PM, <Soeren_Rabenstein@...> wrote:


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
I have to agree with Soeren (welcome!). A standard can't be complete
without it and the Beerware License Rev.42 (in a template form).



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Ciaran Farrell
 

On Wednesday 11 August 2010 08:30:14 Soeren_Rabenstein@... wrote:

...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
Hi,

just one point about this license - it was a problem for one of our major OEM
customers. Through bugzilla, they requested that we change the expletive to
something less problematic for them (IIRC we changed it to the Do What the
Hell You Want Public License).

It was the strangest legal patch I ever wrote :-)

Ciaran


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Philip Odence
 

Welcome, Soeren. Glad to have you aboard. 

This is certainly fair discussion. The goal has been to have the standard license list cover a large majority of cases (Kate's been talking about 90% coverage). Beyond that we have provided a mechanism for including licenses that are not on the list, the main differences being that for the latter the user will include the text of the license in the SPDX file, not just a reference to our list. 

So, that fact that you have run across a license in your work would not on the face say that it meets the criteria for being included on the list. Do you think the licenses you list are fairly common and would belong on the list for that reason? Or do you think our criteria are too tight and that we should try to be more comprehensive in our coverage?

Phil


L. Philip Odence
Vice President of Business Development
Black Duck Software, inc.
265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451
Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502

On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:30 AM, <Soeren_Rabenstein@...> wrote:

Hello spdx mailing list

I guess I am the first new subscriber, since you went public?
My name is Soeren Rabenstein, I am in ASUSTeK's legal department since early 2009 and responsible for European legal compliance as well as implementation of a FOSS license compliance program.

Thank you for creating the specification. We are very interested in bringing forward the standard, since "Software-BOMs" form a key element of our compliance program (we actually switched to the term "BOC"="Bill of Code", to avoid confusion with actual, physical BOMs) and supply chain management turned out to be the biggest challenge over here.

As a first contribution, I compared the list of specified licenses in the spdx-draft with my own approval list. As a result I would like to propose the following licenses to be added to spdx. With the exception of the last item, these are all licenses I came across during my practice. I may add them myself through the wiki, but currently I cannot see a working wiki page on this.
I am also happy to dig our more licenses that are not yet listed.


License Identifier: ClArtistic
Formal Name: Clarified Artistic License 1.0
URL: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: XFree86-1.1
Formal Name: XFree86 License 1.1
URL: http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE4.html

License Identifier: Ruby
Formal Name: Ruby License
URL: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: RHeCos
Formal Name: Red Hat eCos Public License v1.1
URL: http://ecos.sourceware.org/old-license.html

License Identifier: eCos
Formal Name: The eCos license version 2.0
URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ecos-license.html

License Identifier: OSSL
Formal Name: OpenSSL License
URL: ? (No direct web source known, license text therefore attached to this mail)

License Identifier: ErlPL
Formal Name: Erlang Public License Version 1.1
URL: http://www.erlang.org/EPLICENSE

License Identifier: gsoPL
Formal Name: gSOAP Public License Version 1.3b
URL: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/license.html

License Identifier: SugPL
Formal Name: SugarCRM Public License
URL: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/SPL

License Identifier: YPL
Formal Name: Yahoo! Public License 1.1
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/yahoo_public_license_1.1.html

License Identifier: OLDAP-2.8
Formal Name: OpenLDAP Public License Version 2.8
URL: http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html

License Identifier: ZimPL
Formal Name: Zimbra Public License, Version 1.3
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/zimbra-public-license-1-3.html


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/


Kind regards

Soeren Rabenstein

____________________________________________________________
 
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
 
Soeren Rabenstein, LL.M.
Legal Affairs Center - Legal Compliance Dept.
15, Li-Te Rd., Taipei 112, Taiwan
Tel.: (+886) 2 2894 3447 Ext.2372
Fax.: (+886) 2 2890 7674
soeren_rabenstein@...
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Kim Weins
 


I know that the Ruby license is pretty common.  I would vote to add that one.

Kim

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From: "Philip Odence" <podence@...>
Date: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:33 am
Subject: Hello world and additional licenses
To: "<Soeren_Rabenstein@...>" <Soeren_Rabenstein@...>
Cc: "spdx@..." <spdx@...>

Welcome, Soeren. Glad to have you aboard.

This is certainly fair discussion. The goal has been to have the standard license list cover a large majority of cases (Kate's been talking about 90% coverage). Beyond that we have provided a mechanism for including licenses that are not on the list, the main differences being that for the latter the user will include the text of the license in the SPDX file, not just a reference to our list.

So, that fact that you have run across a license in your work would not on the face say that it meets the criteria for being included on the list. Do you think the licenses you list are fairly common and would belong on the list for that reason? Or do you think our criteria are too tight and that we should try to be more comprehensive in our coverage?

Phil


L. Philip Odence
Vice President of Business Development
Black Duck Software, inc.
265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451
Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502
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On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:30 AM, <Soeren_Rabenstein@...<mailto:Soeren_Rabenstein@...>> wrote:

Hello spdx mailing list

I guess I am the first new subscriber, since you went public?
My name is Soeren Rabenstein, I am in ASUSTeK's legal department since early 2009 and responsible for European legal compliance as well as implementation of a FOSS license compliance program.

Thank you for creating the specification. We are very interested in bringing forward the standard, since "Software-BOMs" form a key element of our compliance program (we actually switched to the term "BOC"="Bill of Code", to avoid confusion with actual, physical BOMs) and supply chain management turned out to be the biggest challenge over here.

As a first contribution, I compared the list of specified licenses in the spdx-draft with my own approval list. As a result I would like to propose the following licenses to be added to spdx. With the exception of the last item, these are all licenses I came across during my practice. I may add them myself through the wiki, but currently I cannot see a working wiki page on this.
I am also happy to dig our more licenses that are not yet listed.


License Identifier: ClArtistic
Formal Name: Clarified Artistic License 1.0
URL: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: XFree86-1.1
Formal Name: XFree86 License 1.1
URL: http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE4.html

License Identifier: Ruby
Formal Name: Ruby License
URL: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: RHeCos
Formal Name: Red Hat eCos Public License v1.1
URL: http://ecos.sourceware.org/old-license.html

License Identifier: eCos
Formal Name: The eCos license version 2.0
URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ecos-license.html

License Identifier: OSSL
Formal Name: OpenSSL License
URL: ? (No direct web source known, license text therefore attached to this mail)

License Identifier: ErlPL
Formal Name: Erlang Public License Version 1.1
URL: http://www.erlang.org/EPLICENSE

License Identifier: gsoPL
Formal Name: gSOAP Public License Version 1.3b
URL: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/license.html

License Identifier: SugPL
Formal Name: SugarCRM Public License
URL: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/SPL

License Identifier: YPL
Formal Name: Yahoo! Public License 1.1
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/yahoo_public_license_1.1.html

License Identifier: OLDAP-2.8
Formal Name: OpenLDAP Public License Version 2.8
URL: http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html

License Identifier: ZimPL
Formal Name: Zimbra Public License, Version 1.3
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/zimbra-public-license-1-3.html


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/


Kind regards

Soeren Rabenstein

____________________________________________________________

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

Soeren Rabenstein, LL.M.
Legal Affairs Center - Legal Compliance Dept.
15, Li-Te Rd., Taipei 112, Taiwan
Tel.: (+886) 2 2894 3447 Ext.2372
Fax.: (+886) 2 2890 7674
soeren_rabenstein@...<mailto:soeren_rabenstein@...>
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Tom Incorvia
 

Soeren, welcome, and thanks for the incremental licenses -- Licenses that come up in day-to-day practice are high value for SPDX. Thanks, Tom

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-----Original Message-----
From: spdx-bounces@... [mailto:spdx-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Soeren_Rabenstein@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:30 AM
To: spdx@...
Subject: Hello world and additional licenses

Hello spdx mailing list

I guess I am the first new subscriber, since you went public?
My name is Soeren Rabenstein, I am in ASUSTeK's legal department since early 2009 and responsible for European legal compliance as well as implementation of a FOSS license compliance program.

Thank you for creating the specification. We are very interested in bringing forward the standard, since "Software-BOMs" form a key element of our compliance program (we actually switched to the term "BOC"="Bill of Code", to avoid confusion with actual, physical BOMs) and supply chain management turned out to be the biggest challenge over here.

As a first contribution, I compared the list of specified licenses in the spdx-draft with my own approval list. As a result I would like to propose the following licenses to be added to spdx. With the exception of the last item, these are all licenses I came across during my practice. I may add them myself through the wiki, but currently I cannot see a working wiki page on this.
I am also happy to dig our more licenses that are not yet listed.


License Identifier: ClArtistic
Formal Name: Clarified Artistic License 1.0
URL: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: XFree86-1.1
Formal Name: XFree86 License 1.1
URL: http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE4.html

License Identifier: Ruby
Formal Name: Ruby License
URL: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: RHeCos
Formal Name: Red Hat eCos Public License v1.1
URL: http://ecos.sourceware.org/old-license.html

License Identifier: eCos
Formal Name: The eCos license version 2.0
URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ecos-license.html

License Identifier: OSSL
Formal Name: OpenSSL License
URL: ? (No direct web source known, license text therefore attached to this mail)

License Identifier: ErlPL
Formal Name: Erlang Public License Version 1.1
URL: http://www.erlang.org/EPLICENSE

License Identifier: gsoPL
Formal Name: gSOAP Public License Version 1.3b
URL: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/license.html

License Identifier: SugPL
Formal Name: SugarCRM Public License
URL: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/SPL

License Identifier: YPL
Formal Name: Yahoo! Public License 1.1
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/yahoo_public_license_1.1.html

License Identifier: OLDAP-2.8
Formal Name: OpenLDAP Public License Version 2.8
URL: http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html

License Identifier: ZimPL
Formal Name: Zimbra Public License, Version 1.3
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/zimbra-public-license-1-3.html


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/


Kind regards

Soeren Rabenstein

____________________________________________________________
 
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
 
Soeren Rabenstein, LL.M.
Legal Affairs Center - Legal Compliance Dept.
15, Li-Te Rd., Taipei 112, Taiwan
Tel.: (+886) 2 2894 3447 Ext.2372
Fax.: (+886) 2 2890 7674
soeren_rabenstein@...
____________________________________________________________



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Soeren_Rabenstein@...
 

Hi Phil

 

Wouldn’t it make sense to include as many licenses as possible? (except maybe the very strange ones)

Sure this will all more data to the specification. But limiting the specification may bloat Software BOMs with license texts (which would be required to be included under spdx, as I understand it).

 

If you want to limit the covered licenses, I still definitely would vote for including

·         Ruby

·         Xfree

·         RhEcos and Ecos (the old version eCos is still surprisingly often present in embedded devices, regardless of the fact that RedHat dropped the project long time ago)

·         OSSL

·         OLDAP-2.8

 

Cheers

 

Soeren

 

From: spdx-bounces@... [mailto:spdx-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Philip Odence

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:33 PM
To: Soeren Rabenstein(Soeren Rabenstein, II.M.)
Cc: spdx@...
Subject: Re: Hello world and additional licenses

 

Welcome, Soeren. Glad to have you aboard. 

 

This is certainly fair discussion. The goal has been to have the standard license list cover a large majority of cases (Kate's been talking about 90% coverage). Beyond that we have provided a mechanism for including licenses that are not on the list, the main differences being that for the latter the user will include the text of the license in the SPDX file, not just a reference to our list. 

 

So, that fact that you have run across a license in your work would not on the face say that it meets the criteria for being included on the list. Do you think the licenses you list are fairly common and would belong on the list for that reason? Or do you think our criteria are too tight and that we should try to be more comprehensive in our coverage?

 

Phil

L. Philip Odence

Vice President of Business Development

Black Duck Software, inc.

265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451

Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502

 

On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:30 AM, <Soeren_Rabenstein@...> wrote:



Hello spdx mailing list

I guess I am the first new subscriber, since you went public?
My name is Soeren Rabenstein, I am in ASUSTeK's legal department since early 2009 and responsible for European legal compliance as well as implementation of a FOSS license compliance program.

Thank you for creating the specification. We are very interested in bringing forward the standard, since "Software-BOMs" form a key element of our compliance program (we actually switched to the term "BOC"="Bill of Code", to avoid confusion with actual, physical BOMs) and supply chain management turned out to be the biggest challenge over here.

As a first contribution, I compared the list of specified licenses in the spdx-draft with my own approval list. As a result I would like to propose the following licenses to be added to spdx. With the exception of the last item, these are all licenses I came across during my practice. I may add them myself through the wiki, but currently I cannot see a working wiki page on this.
I am also happy to dig our more licenses that are not yet listed.


License Identifier: ClArtistic
Formal Name: Clarified Artistic License 1.0
URL: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: XFree86-1.1
Formal Name: XFree86 License 1.1
URL: http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE4.html

License Identifier: Ruby
Formal Name: Ruby License
URL: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: RHeCos
Formal Name: Red Hat eCos Public License v1.1
URL: http://ecos.sourceware.org/old-license.html

License Identifier: eCos
Formal Name: The eCos license version 2.0
URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ecos-license.html

License Identifier: OSSL
Formal Name: OpenSSL License
URL: ? (No direct web source known, license text therefore attached to this mail)

License Identifier: ErlPL
Formal Name: Erlang Public License Version 1.1
URL: http://www.erlang.org/EPLICENSE

License Identifier: gsoPL
Formal Name: gSOAP Public License Version 1.3b
URL: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/license.html

License Identifier: SugPL
Formal Name: SugarCRM Public License
URL: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/SPL

License Identifier: YPL
Formal Name: Yahoo! Public License 1.1
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/yahoo_public_license_1.1.html

License Identifier: OLDAP-2.8
Formal Name: OpenLDAP Public License Version 2.8
URL: http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html

License Identifier: ZimPL
Formal Name: Zimbra Public License, Version 1.3
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/zimbra-public-license-1-3.html


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/


Kind regards

Soeren Rabenstein

____________________________________________________________
 
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
 
Soeren Rabenstein, LL.M.
Legal Affairs Center - Legal Compliance Dept.
15, Li-Te Rd., Taipei 112, Taiwan
Tel.: (+886) 2 2894 3447 Ext.2372
Fax.: (+886) 2 2890 7674
soeren_rabenstein@...
____________________________________________________________



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kate.stewart@...
 

Hi Soren,
    Welcome.    Glad to have your input  :)      

   Wiki version of spec needs to be refreshed to correspond to the latest draft, and I'll try to work on it this weekend.   If anyone else has time before,  just let me know and I'll bounce you the raw doc file. 

    Can definitely add the licenses you list immediately below (I agree about eCOS - saw it alot), and if the others you sent earlier are commonly being encountered in analysis - then yes they should be included. Will add the short list below to the next draft, at least, and based on others input we can figure out what to do with the others ( how common is the WTFPL?  ;) ).  

   There's 1900+ licenses out there, and we're just trying to keep the tracking of licenses to a reasonable level.   Thoughts on criteria to be listed are it must be present in significant number of packages already or strategic (ie. new one, anticipated to be present).   What defines "significant" is a good topic for the next call on Aug 26th.  

Kate
 

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From: Soeren_Rabenstein@... <Soeren_Rabenstein@...>
Subject: RE: Hello world and additional licenses
To: podence@...
Cc: spdx@...
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 6:44 AM

Hi Phil

 

Wouldn’t it make sense to include as many licenses as possible? (except maybe the very strange ones)

Sure this will all more data to the specification. But limiting the specification may bloat Software BOMs with license texts (which would be required to be included under spdx, as I understand it).

 

If you want to limit the covered licenses, I still definitely would vote for including

·         Ruby

·         Xfree

·         RhEcos and Ecos (the old version eCos is still surprisingly often present in embedded devices, regardless of the fact that RedHat dropped the project long time ago)

·         OSSL

·         OLDAP-2.8

 

Cheers

 

Soeren

 

From: spdx-bounces@... [mailto:spdx-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Philip Odence
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:33 PM
To: Soeren Rabenstein(Soeren Rabenstein, II.M.)
Cc: spdx@...
Subject: Re: Hello world and additional licenses

 

Welcome, Soeren. Glad to have you aboard. 

 

This is certainly fair discussion. The goal has been to have the standard license list cover a large majority of cases (Kate's been talking about 90% coverage). Beyond that we have provided a mechanism for including licenses that are not on the list, the main differences being that for the latter the user will include the text of the license in the SPDX file, not just a reference to our list. 

 

So, that fact that you have run across a license in your work would not on the face say that it meets the criteria for being included on the list. Do you think the licenses you list are fairly common and would belong on the list for that reason? Or do you think our criteria are too tight and that we should try to be more comprehensive in our coverage?

 

Phil

L. Philip Odence

Vice President of Business Development

Black Duck Software, inc.

265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451

Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502

 

On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:30 AM, <Soeren_Rabenstein@...> wrote:



Hello spdx mailing list

I guess I am the first new subscriber, since you went public?
My name is Soeren Rabenstein, I am in ASUSTeK's legal department since early 2009 and responsible for European legal compliance as well as implementation of a FOSS license compliance program.

Thank you for creating the specification. We are very interested in bringing forward the standard, since "Software-BOMs" form a key element of our compliance program (we actually switched to the term "BOC"="Bill of Code", to avoid confusion with actual, physical BOMs) and supply chain management turned out to be the biggest challenge over here.

As a first contribution, I compared the list of specified licenses in the spdx-draft with my own approval list. As a result I would like to propose the following licenses to be added to spdx. With the exception of the last item, these are all licenses I came across during my practice. I may add them myself through the wiki, but currently I cannot see a working wiki page on this.
I am also happy to dig our more licenses that are not yet listed.


License Identifier: ClArtistic
Formal Name: Clarified Artistic License 1.0
URL: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: XFree86-1.1
Formal Name: XFree86 License 1.1
URL: http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE4.html

License Identifier: Ruby
Formal Name: Ruby License
URL: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt

License Identifier: RHeCos
Formal Name: Red Hat eCos Public License v1.1
URL: http://ecos.sourceware.org/old-license.html

License Identifier: eCos
Formal Name: The eCos license version 2.0
URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ecos-license.html

License Identifier: OSSL
Formal Name: OpenSSL License
URL: ? (No direct web source known, license text therefore attached to this mail)

License Identifier: ErlPL
Formal Name: Erlang Public License Version 1.1
URL: http://www.erlang.org/EPLICENSE

License Identifier: gsoPL
Formal Name: gSOAP Public License Version 1.3b
URL: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/license.html

License Identifier: SugPL
Formal Name: SugarCRM Public License
URL: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/SPL

License Identifier: YPL
Formal Name: Yahoo! Public License 1.1
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/yahoo_public_license_1.1.html

License Identifier: OLDAP-2.8
Formal Name: OpenLDAP Public License Version 2.8
URL: http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html

License Identifier: ZimPL
Formal Name: Zimbra Public License, Version 1.3
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/zimbra-public-license-1-3.html


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/


Kind regards

Soeren Rabenstein

____________________________________________________________
 
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
 
Soeren Rabenstein, LL.M.
Legal Affairs Center - Legal Compliance Dept.
15, Li-Te Rd., Taipei 112, Taiwan
Tel.: (+886) 2 2894 3447 Ext.2372
Fax.: (+886) 2 2890 7674
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 06:33:01AM -0400, Philip Odence wrote:
So, that fact that you have run across a license in your work would not on the
face say that it meets the criteria for being included on the list. Do you
think the licenses you list are fairly common and would belong on the list for
that reason?
Hi,

(First, happy to join this list after attending the LinuxCon session
yesterday.)

Of the ones Soeren listed, the OpenSSL license (or, I guess,
conjunction-of-licenses) stands out to me as one of the most commonly
encountered (it is not 'common' in the sense of being reused by
different projects, but because of the ubiquity of OpenSSL). Although
this may not bear on criteria for list inclusion, it is also a license
that often leads to angst for Linux distributions because of GPL
incompatibility arguments and the presence of an advertising clause.

- Richard


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Red Hat, Inc.
direct: +1 978 392 2423
mobile: +1 978 397 1504
fax: +1 978 392 1001
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dmg
 

Kate was right, I should have gone l,to LinuxConf

in the same line as Richard comment, why not include every license
found in the Linux kernel?

I am sure many of you have customers that need this data for the kernel


in fact, last week I discuss that the kernel is a very good exercise
to test the spec
much better than simple examples. If it can do the kernel, it could do
almost anything


---dmg

On 8/11/10, Richard Fontana <rfontana@...> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 06:33:01AM -0400, Philip Odence wrote:
So, that fact that you have run across a license in your work would not on
the
face say that it meets the criteria for being included on the list. Do you
think the licenses you list are fairly common and would belong on the list
for
that reason?
Hi,

(First, happy to join this list after attending the LinuxCon session
yesterday.)

Of the ones Soeren listed, the OpenSSL license (or, I guess,
conjunction-of-licenses) stands out to me as one of the most commonly
encountered (it is not 'common' in the sense of being reused by
different projects, but because of the ubiquity of OpenSSL). Although
this may not bear on criteria for list inclusion, it is also a license
that often leads to angst for Linux distributions because of GPL
incompatibility arguments and the presence of an advertising clause.

- Richard


Richard E. Fontana
Open Source Licensing and Patent Counsel
Red Hat, Inc.
direct: +1 978 392 2423
mobile: +1 978 397 1504
fax: +1 978 392 1001
mail: rfontana@...
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Philip Odence
 

Yes, that's clearly the tradeoff, Soeren. I think the question is how "expensive" it is to add licenses to the list and maintain them. I suspect that as with the spec, we'll have a working area for candidate licenses and a process for promoting to the official list. 

We had some in person discussion about this at the LinuxCon BoF session last night and it was clear that this subject needs more discussion and work. Thanks for joining in and shining some light on it.



On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:44 AM, <Soeren_Rabenstein@...> <Soeren_Rabenstein@...> wrote:

Hi Phil
 
Wouldn’t it make sense to include as many licenses as possible? (except maybe the very strange ones)
Sure this will all more data to the specification. But limiting the specification may bloat Software BOMs with license texts (which would be required to be included under spdx, as I understand it).
 
If you want to limit the covered licenses, I still definitely would vote for including
·         Ruby
·         Xfree
·         RhEcos and Ecos (the old version eCos is still surprisingly often present in embedded devices, regardless of the fact that RedHat dropped the project long time ago)
·         OSSL
·         OLDAP-2.8
 
Cheers
 
Soeren
 
From: spdx-bounces@... [mailto:spdx-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Philip Odence
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:33 PM
To: Soeren Rabenstein(Soeren Rabenstein, II.M.)
Cc: spdx@...
Subject: Re: Hello world and additional licenses
 
Welcome, Soeren. Glad to have you aboard. 
 
This is certainly fair discussion. The goal has been to have the standard license list cover a large majority of cases (Kate's been talking about 90% coverage). Beyond that we have provided a mechanism for including licenses that are not on the list, the main differences being that for the latter the user will include the text of the license in the SPDX file, not just a reference to our list. 
 
So, that fact that you have run across a license in your work would not on the face say that it meets the criteria for being included on the list. Do you think the licenses you list are fairly common and would belong on the list for that reason? Or do you think our criteria are too tight and that we should try to be more comprehensive in our coverage?
 

Phil

L. Philip Odence
Vice President of Business Development
Black Duck Software, inc.
265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451
Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502
 
On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:30 AM, <Soeren_Rabenstein@...> wrote:


Hello spdx mailing list

I guess I am the first new subscriber, since you went public?
My name is Soeren Rabenstein, I am in ASUSTeK's legal department since early 2009 and responsible for European legal compliance as well as implementation of a FOSS license compliance program.

Thank you for creating the specification. We are very interested in bringing forward the standard, since "Software-BOMs" form a key element of our compliance program (we actually switched to the term "BOC"="Bill of Code", to avoid confusion with actual, physical BOMs) and supply chain management turned out to be the biggest challenge over here.

As a first contribution, I compared the list of specified licenses in the spdx-draft with my own approval list. As a result I would like to propose the following licenses to be added to spdx. With the exception of the last item, these are all licenses I came across during my practice. I may add them myself through the wiki, but currently I cannot see a working wiki page on this.
I am also happy to dig our more licenses that are not yet listed.


License Identifier: ClArtistic
Formal Name: Clarified Artistic License 1.0
URL: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/LICENSE.txt 

License Identifier: XFree86-1.1
Formal Name: XFree86 License 1.1
URL: http://www.xfree86.org/current/LICENSE4.html 

License Identifier: Ruby
Formal Name: Ruby License
URL: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/LICENSE.txt 

License Identifier: RHeCos
Formal Name: Red Hat eCos Public License v1.1
URL: http://ecos.sourceware.org/old-license.html 

License Identifier: eCos
Formal Name: The eCos license version 2.0
URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ecos-license.html 

License Identifier: OSSL
Formal Name: OpenSSL License
URL: ? (No direct web source known, license text therefore attached to this mail)

License Identifier: ErlPL
Formal Name: Erlang Public License Version 1.1
URL: http://www.erlang.org/EPLICENSE 

License Identifier: gsoPL
Formal Name: gSOAP Public License Version 1.3b
URL: http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/license.html

License Identifier: SugPL
Formal Name: SugarCRM Public License
URL: http://www.sugarcrm.com/crm/SPL

License Identifier: YPL
Formal Name: Yahoo! Public License 1.1
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/yahoo_public_license_1.1.html 

License Identifier: OLDAP-2.8
Formal Name: OpenLDAP Public License Version 2.8
URL: http://www.openldap.org/software/release/license.html 

License Identifier: ZimPL
Formal Name: Zimbra Public License, Version 1.3
URL: http://www.zimbra.com/license/zimbra-public-license-1-3.html 


...AND OF COURSE ;)

License Identifier: WTFPL
Formal Name: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
URL: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ 


Kind regards

Soeren Rabenstein

____________________________________________________________
 
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
 
Soeren Rabenstein, LL.M.
Legal Affairs Center - Legal Compliance Dept.
15, Li-Te Rd., Taipei 112, Taiwan
Tel.: (+886) 2 2894 3447 Ext.2372
Fax.: (+886) 2 2890 7674
soeren_rabenstein@...
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