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Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
dmg
Philip Odence twisted the bytes to say:
Philip> Yes, and let's not forget this same point when we are talking about the process of adding new license to the standard list. The discussion is never Philip> whether the license can be included in an SPDX file—it always can be—the only issue from the SPDX file creator's perspective is whether it matches a Philip> license on the standard list with a predefined short name, or whether they have to go the one extra step of including the license text in Section 4. Philip> Licensing Info and create their own local short name. One interesting aspect of licenses that are "almost" a match is that, if they are only listed as "unknown", the knowledge/analysis performed by the SPDX-file's author might be lost (why is such license unknown). Perhaps a "comment" field attached to any attribute (file, package, etc) that can have a license would be very useful to include a rational. --dmg -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . |
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Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
Philip Odence
Yes, and let's not forget this same point when we are talking about the process of adding new license to the standard list. The discussion is never whether the license can be included in an SPDX file—it always can be—the only issue from the SPDX file creator's perspective is whether it matches a license on the standard list with a predefined short name, or whether they have to go the one extra step of including the license text in Section 4. Licensing Info and create their own local short name. From: Jilayne Lovejoy <jilayne.lovejoy@...> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:26:20 -0400 To: dmg <dmg@...>, Jilayne Lovejoy <Jlovejoy@...> Cc: Kate Stewart <kate.stewart@...>, "spdx-legal@..." <spdx-legal@...>, "spdx@..." <spdx@...>, Esteban Rockett <mgia3940@...> Subject: Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream These variant licenses would simply end up needing to be added as a “nonstandard” license, meaning the SPDX generator would not be able to use the standardized SPDX license list shortname for that license, but it wouldn’t (shouldn’t) be tagged as unknown in such a case. On 3/23/11 10:54 AM, "dmg" <dmg@...> wrote:
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Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
Jilayne Lovejoy <jilayne.lovejoy@...>
These variant licenses would simply end up needing to be added as a “nonstandard” license, meaning the SPDX generator would not be able to use the standardized SPDX license list shortname for that license, but it wouldn’t (shouldn’t) be tagged as unknown in such a case.
On 3/23/11 10:54 AM, "dmg" <dmg@...> wrote:
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Minutes Posted from 3/24 Meeting
Philip Odence
Please let us know if you are coming to the Face to Face meetings at the LF Collaboration Summit If you came late to the meeting today and I did not log your attendance, please let me know. Because of the Collab Summit, next General meeting will be April 21. Administrative Agenda Attendance: 15 http://www.spdx.org/wiki/20110311-general-meeting-minutes Technical Team Report - Kate After a great deal of effort, the team has converged on a consistent set of field names which will by synch'ed with all forms of spec shortly. There are still a couple of areas of open issues which are dependent on the Legal Team, most having to do with who created the SPDX file. Kate will be starting up a wiki page with an agenda for the upcoming Face to Face; participants should feel free to provide input. Business Team Report - Phil Beta training materials are not complete, but are in motion and should be fine for beta. In the last meeting there was a lot of discussion about a process for requesting/evaluating/adding new licenses to the standard list. See last Business Team meeting's minutes for details. Legal Team Report - Rockett SPDX Tool/Template Licensing- Done, we'll be using Apache 2.0 Metadata Licensing
Templatizing (defining what insubstantial variants are OK for a match to a standard license)
Cross Functional Issues – Phil Collaboration Summit
Discussion about how to handle "Newbee" question that come in on lists
Action Items Most of the action items belong with the Teams. So, in addition to statusing, we will dispatch them to the respective teams and will not continue to track in this meeting. Action items for this meeting will be cross functional. • Kate- Beta collateral: Examples in XML and spreadsheet form. PENDING • MartinM- Report back on # of people on respective mailing lists. ONGOING
Phil O. - Capture a list of who will be at face to face meeting - DONE Attendees
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Re: Update on spdx subscriber numbers
Martin Michlmayr
Another update on the mailing list numbers:
spdx: 98 spdz-biz: 17 spdx-legal: 23 spdx-tech: 21 -- Martin Michlmayr Open Source Program Office, Hewlett-Packard |
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Re: [FOSSology] License Identifiers - FOSSology & SPDX
Laser, Mary <mary.laser@...>
Yes! We are closely following evolution of the SPDX standard. We will eventually align FOSSology to adopt the standard.
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Agenda for SPDX General Meeting MARCH 24 / Minutes from last meeting / Linux Collaboration Summit Info
Philip Odence
Sorry, got my months mixed up…Feb had a Thurs 24 too! But the meeting is March 24. From: Phil Odence <podence@...> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:10:03 -0400 To: "spdx@..." <spdx@...> Subject: FW: Agenda for SPDX General Meeting Feb 24 / Minutes from last meeting / Linux Collaboration Summit Info Resending as a reminder of Thursday's meeting. If you are coming to the Collaboration Summit and will participate in one or both Face to Face SPDX Meetings, please RSVP at: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/linux-collaboration-summit From: Phil Odence <podence@...> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:08:22 -0400 To: "spdx@..." <spdx@...> Subject: Agenda for SPDX General Meeting Feb 24 / Minutes from last meeting / Linux Collaboration Summit Info For the minutes to the last meeting go to: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/20110311-general-meeting-minutes Please join us for the SPDX sessions at the Linux Collaboration Summit, April 6-8: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/linux-collaboration-summit For the next General Meeting, note that the US is now on daylight time. Meeting Time: March 24, 8am PDT / 10 am CDT / 11am EDT / 15:00 UTC. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html Conf call dial-in: Conference code: 7812589502 Toll-free dial-in number (U.S. and Canada): (877) 435-0230 International dial-in number: (253) 336-6732 For those dialing in from other regions, a list of toll free numbers can be found: https://www.intercallonline.com/portlets/scheduling/viewNumbers/viewNumber.do?ownerNumber=6053870&audioType=RP&viewGa=false&ga=OFF Web: I've been including this only for attendance purposes, but the size of the calls has been such that we can do it the ol' fashioned way. Administrative Agenda
Technical Team Report - Kate Business Team Report - Kim Legal Team Report - Rockett/Karen Cross Functional Issues - Phil Action Items Most of the action items belong with the Teams. So, in addition to statusing, we will dispatch them to the respective teams and will not continue to track in this meeting. Action items for this meeting will be cross functional. • Kate/Kim- Draft example for LF Member Counsel; include XML and spreadsheet. PENDING
• MartinM- Report back on # of people on respective mailing lists. DONE, BUT LET'S KEEP UPDATING Phil O. - Capture a list of who will be at face to face meeting - PENDING
L. Philip Odence Vice President of Business Development Black Duck Software, inc. 265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451 Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502 Skype: philip.odence |
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FW: Agenda for SPDX General Meeting Feb 24 / Minutes from last meeting / Linux Collaboration Summit Info
Philip Odence
Resending as a reminder of Thursday's meeting. If you are coming to the Collaboration Summit and will participate in one or both Face to Face SPDX Meetings, please RSVP at: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/linux-collaboration-summit From: Phil Odence <podence@...> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:08:22 -0400 To: "spdx@..." <spdx@...> Subject: Agenda for SPDX General Meeting Feb 24 / Minutes from last meeting / Linux Collaboration Summit Info For the minutes to the last meeting go to: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/20110311-general-meeting-minutes Please join us for the SPDX sessions at the Linux Collaboration Summit, April 6-8: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/linux-collaboration-summit For the next General Meeting, note that the US is now on daylight time. Meeting Time: Feb 24, 8am PDT / 10 am CDT / 11am EDT / 15:00 UTC. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html Conf call dial-in: Conference code: 7812589502 Toll-free dial-in number (U.S. and Canada): (877) 435-0230 International dial-in number: (253) 336-6732 For those dialing in from other regions, a list of toll free numbers can be found: https://www.intercallonline.com/portlets/scheduling/viewNumbers/viewNumber.do?ownerNumber=6053870&audioType=RP&viewGa=false&ga=OFF Web: I've been including this only for attendance purposes, but the size of the calls has been such that we can do it the ol' fashioned way. Administrative Agenda
Technical Team Report - Kate Business Team Report - Kim Legal Team Report - Rockett/Karen Cross Functional Issues - Phil Action Items Most of the action items belong with the Teams. So, in addition to statusing, we will dispatch them to the respective teams and will not continue to track in this meeting. Action items for this meeting will be cross functional. • Kate/Kim- Draft example for LF Member Counsel; include XML and spreadsheet. PENDING
• MartinM- Report back on # of people on respective mailing lists. DONE, BUT LET'S KEEP UPDATING Phil O. - Capture a list of who will be at face to face meeting - PENDING
L. Philip Odence Vice President of Business Development Black Duck Software, inc. 265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451 Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502 Skype: philip.odence |
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License Identifiers - FOSSology & SPDX
Roger Meier <roger@...>
Hi all
I'm interested in using FOSSology and the SPDX standard for future projects. It would be great to have at least one well supported open source software solution like FOSSology which is using the SPDX standard. This will help all of us to be license compliant and economic whenever we use open source software. However, SPDX is still in definition phase and it probably does not fit perfectly to FOSSology. The license meta data is a very important thing required to automate license analysis and that's the place where I've identified a mismatch, the license short name or license identifier. FOSSology has some very nice metadata for each license, e.g. Date: 2004-01-01 00:00:00 URL: http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt shortname: ASL v2.0 fullname: Apache Software License v2.0 OSIapproved: Yes FSFfree: Yes GPLv2compatible: No GPLv3compatible: Yes copyleft: No notes: .... for further details see http://fossology.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fossology/trunk/fossology/agents /license_files/Apachev2.0.meta?revision=HEAD&view=markup SPDX is using its own license identifier: Full name of License: Apache License 2.0 License Identifier: Apache-2 Source/URL: http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 Notes: This version was released: January 2004, This license is OSI certified for further details see http://www.spdx.org/wiki/working-version-license-list Are there any plans to align these identifiers? Does somebody know some other standards used for license meta data? -roger |
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Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
dmg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Jilayne Lovejoy <Jlovejoy@...> wrote: I believe we already discussed this to some degree and decided that we would not enter the arena of word equivalents with the exception of spelling variations for known American-British English. Although there are certainly plenty of words that seem “safe” to equate, that begins to feel like a slippery slope in terms of the potential for different meanings or the license author’s intent getting altered. More specifically, many licenses have definitions for such words. Past and present tense can also be tricky, both from deciding how and when it’s okay to use either tense. All in all, I think it’s best to take a very conservative approach to what we will “replace” in terms of templatizing the licenses. We can always expand, but it would be very hard to roll it back later on. Just my two cents. I agree. I wonder if a solution is to allow the specification of "variant" of a license. Perhaps a way to say: the closest license is this one, with a text similarity metric of X, and where the differences are such and such. Otherwise a lot of BSD and MIT licensed files will be listed as unknown/other. --dmg Certainly the BSD and Apache 1.1 licenses are problematic, because they are often verbatim with the exception of the author’s name in the third clause (BSD) and the third, fourth, and fifth clause (Apache 1.1) as well as the disclaimer sections for both. We are working through how/where to capture this, as well as copyright notices in general, though. -- --dmg --- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org |
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Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
Jilayne Lovejoy <jilayne.lovejoy@...>
I believe we already discussed this to some degree and decided that we would not enter the arena of word equivalents with the exception of spelling variations for known American-British English. Although there are certainly plenty of words that seem “safe” to equate, that begins to feel like a slippery slope in terms of the potential for different meanings or the license author’s intent getting altered. More specifically, many licenses have definitions for such words. Past and present tense can also be tricky, both from deciding how and when it’s okay to use either tense. All in all, I think it’s best to take a very conservative approach to what we will “replace” in terms of templatizing the licenses. We can always expand, but it would be very hard to roll it back later on. Just my two cents.
Certainly the BSD and Apache 1.1 licenses are problematic, because they are often verbatim with the exception of the author’s name in the third clause (BSD) and the third, fourth, and fifth clause (Apache 1.1) as well as the disclaimer sections for both. We are working through how/where to capture this, as well as copyright notices in general, though. Jilayne On 3/23/11 10:11 AM, "Kate Stewart" <kate.stewart@...> wrote:
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Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
kate.stewart@...
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Re: Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
dmg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Esteban Rockett <mgia3940@...> wrote:
I think it is going in the right direction. You should look at the way Ninka normalizes test for in-file licenses (BSD, MIT, etc). For the BSD and MIT variants the problems are not only spelling, but in some cases, variants in grammar: past vs present tense, use of word "software", "product", "program", "library" in the same place. --dmg
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Today's Agenda Legal WorkStream
Esteban Rockett <mgia3940@...>
Agenda Legal WorkStream 23-March-2011 (1) Re-Report SPDX Tools License Conclusion - Apache 2.0 (2) Revised Section 5.3 into Beta Spec. (3) SPDX Metadata StrawMan: (a) - Need for SPDX Metadata Author/Creator??? -- (additional fields permissible) (b) - Confidentiality Statement (also see "author comments field" or notion of a metadata license field) ??? (c) - Copyright in Comments (author and review) (if non-confidential; free; non-attributable???) (4) Review and Discuss --- Guidelines for "Templatizing" licenses |
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SPDX Business Meeting Minutes
Kim Weins
We got an update on the training materials and finished laying out the process to add a new license. See minutes link below.
http://www.spdx.org/wiki/business-team-meeting-agendaminutes-20110317 Kim Kim Weins | Senior Vice President, Marketing kim.weins@... Follow me on Twitter @KimAtOpenLogic 650 279 0410 | cell www.openlogic.com Follow OpenLogic on Twitter @openlogic |
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Agenda for SPDX General Meeting Feb 24 / Minutes from last meeting / Linux Collaboration Summit Info
Philip Odence
For the minutes to the last meeting go to: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/20110311-general-meeting-minutes Please join us for the SPDX sessions at the Linux Collaboration Summit, April 6-8: http://www.spdx.org/wiki/linux-collaboration-summit For the next General Meeting, note that the US is now on daylight time. Meeting Time: Feb 24, 8am PDT / 10 am CDT / 11am EDT / 15:00 UTC. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html Conf call dial-in: Conference code: 7812589502 Toll-free dial-in number (U.S. and Canada): (877) 435-0230 International dial-in number: (253) 336-6732 For those dialing in from other regions, a list of toll free numbers can be found: https://www.intercallonline.com/portlets/scheduling/viewNumbers/viewNumber.do?ownerNumber=6053870&audioType=RP&viewGa=false&ga=OFF Web: I've been including this only for attendance purposes, but the size of the calls has been such that we can do it the ol' fashioned way. Administrative Agenda
Technical Team Report - Kate Business Team Report - Kim Legal Team Report - Rockett/Karen Cross Functional Issues - Phil Action Items Most of the action items belong with the Teams. So, in addition to statusing, we will dispatch them to the respective teams and will not continue to track in this meeting. Action items for this meeting will be cross functional. • Kate/Kim- Draft example for LF Member Counsel; include XML and spreadsheet. PENDING
• MartinM- Report back on # of people on respective mailing lists. DONE, BUT LET'S KEEP UPDATING Phil O. - Capture a list of who will be at face to face meeting - PENDING
L. Philip Odence Vice President of Business Development Black Duck Software, inc. 265 Winter Street, Waltham, MA 02451 Phone: 781.810.1819, Mobile: 781.258.9502 Skype: philip.odence |
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Re: Thursday SPDX General Meeting
Kim Weins
I’m traveling and will miss the call today.
KIm On Thu 3/10/11 1:42 AM, "Philip Odence" <podence@...> wrote: Normal time and Dial in number. Minutes from last meeting are posted in the usual location. Kim Weins | Senior Vice President, Marketing kim.weins@... Follow me on Twitter @KimAtOpenLogic 650 279 0410 | cell www.openlogic.com Follow OpenLogic on Twitter @openlogic |
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Thursday SPDX General Meeting
Philip Odence
Normal time and Dial in number. Minutes from last meeting are posted in the usual location. Excuse the late and incomplete notice. I'm without internet or good phone coverage. Kate has kindly agreed to stand in for me once again. I will try to participate if the phone gods smile. Thanks for your understanding. Phil |
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Thursday SPDX General Meeting
Phil Odence <phil.odence@...>
Normal time and Dial in number. Minutes from last meeting are posted in the usual location.
Excuse the late and incomplete notice. I'm without internet or good phone coverage. Kate has kindly agreed to stand in for me once again. I will try to participate if the phone gods smile. Thanks for your understanding. Phil |
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Updated Invitation: SPDX Legal Workstream Call 11ET/10CT/8PT @ Every 2 weeks from 8am to 9am on Wednesday from Wed Mar 9 to Wed Oct 19 (spdx@fossbazaar.org)
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