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Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

Armijn Hemel <armijn@...>
 

On 03/12/2012 06:42 PM, Radcliffe, Mark wrote:
Caltrain is great!http://www.caltrain.com/schedules.html. I defer to someone else on how far away Cisco is located.
However, make sure you have some cash for tickets, just in case. Last year the CalTrain vending machines in San Francisco refused my Dutch creditcard (it's MasterCard, so should have worked). Luckily I had foreseen that and had backup cash.

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Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming@...>
 

On 03/12/2012 12:09 PM, Armijn Hemel wrote:
On 03/12/2012 05:59 PM, Jilayne Lovejoy wrote:
To my knowledge, there are trains from SF to San Jose that are pretty
direct
during rush hour (little less than an hour). I'm not familiar with how
far
it is from the train station to Cisco's campus, but perhaps from there a
shared cab might make sense? Maybe someone from Cisco can elaborate on
that
part?
Take Caltrain from San Francisco, then transfer to VTA Light Rail (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTA_light_rail ), get out at Cisco Way (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Way_%28VTA%29 ), walk.
I must be missing something obvious here. I spent a bit of time looking at the Caltrain and VTA websites (and transit.511.org).

Caltrain from San Francisco Station to Mountain View Station takes 45 minutes on one of the morning 'express' routes. It would then take 40 minutes or so of light rail, bus and walking to get to Cisco Way. Alternatively Caltrain can take you all the way to Tamien Station, and then a single light rail ride will take you to Cisco way, but again the total time is over two hours.

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Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

Kim Weins
 

There is the Caltrain. From Union Square it's a long-ish walk to the train
station or you can take a quick cab ride.

There is light rail in San Jose that goes right up Tasman drive by Cisco.
I'll check into whether it goes to the San Jose Caltrain station -- I assume
it does.

By the time you do the walk/train/light rail it will be a fairly lengthy
trip, although driving at that time in the morning can be pretty heavy
traffic as well.

You could also head down to San Jose Thursday night and stay at a hotel
closer to the location of the Forum.

Kim


On Mon 3/12/12 10:59 AM, "Jilayne Lovejoy" <jilayne.lovejoy@...>
wrote:

To my knowledge, there are trains from SF to San Jose that are pretty direct
during rush hour (little less than an hour). I'm not familiar with how far
it is from the train station to Cisco's campus, but perhaps from there a
shared cab might make sense? Maybe someone from Cisco can elaborate on that
part?
(disclaimer: I don't actually live in the area)

Jilayne


On 3/12/12 10:55 AM, "Guillaume Rousseau" <guillaume.rousseau@...>
wrote:

Le 12/03/12 17:31, Kevin P. Fleming a écrit :
Hopefully this isn't an inappropriate usage of this mailing list...

Two of us from Digium will be coming to the Bay Area to participate in
the LF Collaboration Summit and SPDX events. We'll be staying near
Union Square and aren't planning to have a rental vehicle since nearly
all of our activities in the Bay Area can be reached via public transit.

However, the SPDX Forum in San Jose is not practical to reach via
public transit from downtown San Francisco (two hours each way, it
appears, twice as long as driving). We could of course rent a vehicle
for that day, but that seems a bit wasteful since it would be parked
nearly all day.

I'm posting this here in hopes that someone might offer up a creative
solution (or two, or three). If there are other non-Bay Area
participants who will be in the same situation, we could try to
arrange some ride-sharing. If anyone who lives in the area would be
willing to offer carpool services (we'd be happy to offset the costs)
that would work as well.
Philippe and me will be in the same situation
No idea up to now about the best solution.
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Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

Mark Radcliffe
 

Caltrain is great! http://www.caltrain.com/schedules.html. I defer to someone else on how far away Cisco is located.


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Subject: Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

To my knowledge, there are trains from SF to San Jose that are pretty direct
during rush hour (little less than an hour). I'm not familiar with how far
it is from the train station to Cisco's campus, but perhaps from there a
shared cab might make sense? Maybe someone from Cisco can elaborate on that
part?
(disclaimer: I don't actually live in the area)

Jilayne


On 3/12/12 10:55 AM, "Guillaume Rousseau" <guillaume.rousseau@...>
wrote:

Le 12/03/12 17:31, Kevin P. Fleming a écrit :
Hopefully this isn't an inappropriate usage of this mailing list...

Two of us from Digium will be coming to the Bay Area to participate in
the LF Collaboration Summit and SPDX events. We'll be staying near
Union Square and aren't planning to have a rental vehicle since nearly
all of our activities in the Bay Area can be reached via public transit.

However, the SPDX Forum in San Jose is not practical to reach via
public transit from downtown San Francisco (two hours each way, it
appears, twice as long as driving). We could of course rent a vehicle
for that day, but that seems a bit wasteful since it would be parked
nearly all day.

I'm posting this here in hopes that someone might offer up a creative
solution (or two, or three). If there are other non-Bay Area
participants who will be in the same situation, we could try to
arrange some ride-sharing. If anyone who lives in the area would be
willing to offer carpool services (we'd be happy to offset the costs)
that would work as well.
Philippe and me will be in the same situation
No idea up to now about the best solution.
Jilayne Lovejoy | Corporate Counsel
jlovejoy@...
720 240 4545 | phone
Follow me on Twitter @jilaynelovejoy

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Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

Armijn Hemel <armijn@...>
 

On 03/12/2012 05:59 PM, Jilayne Lovejoy wrote:
To my knowledge, there are trains from SF to San Jose that are pretty direct
during rush hour (little less than an hour). I'm not familiar with how far
it is from the train station to Cisco's campus, but perhaps from there a
shared cab might make sense? Maybe someone from Cisco can elaborate on that
part?
Take Caltrain from San Francisco, then transfer to VTA Light Rail ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTA_light_rail ), get out at Cisco Way ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Way_%28VTA%29 ), walk.

armijn

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Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

Jilayne Lovejoy <jilayne.lovejoy@...>
 

To my knowledge, there are trains from SF to San Jose that are pretty direct
during rush hour (little less than an hour). I'm not familiar with how far
it is from the train station to Cisco's campus, but perhaps from there a
shared cab might make sense? Maybe someone from Cisco can elaborate on that
part?
(disclaimer: I don't actually live in the area)

Jilayne


On 3/12/12 10:55 AM, "Guillaume Rousseau" <guillaume.rousseau@...>
wrote:

Le 12/03/12 17:31, Kevin P. Fleming a écrit :
Hopefully this isn't an inappropriate usage of this mailing list...

Two of us from Digium will be coming to the Bay Area to participate in
the LF Collaboration Summit and SPDX events. We'll be staying near
Union Square and aren't planning to have a rental vehicle since nearly
all of our activities in the Bay Area can be reached via public transit.

However, the SPDX Forum in San Jose is not practical to reach via
public transit from downtown San Francisco (two hours each way, it
appears, twice as long as driving). We could of course rent a vehicle
for that day, but that seems a bit wasteful since it would be parked
nearly all day.

I'm posting this here in hopes that someone might offer up a creative
solution (or two, or three). If there are other non-Bay Area
participants who will be in the same situation, we could try to
arrange some ride-sharing. If anyone who lives in the area would be
willing to offer carpool services (we'd be happy to offset the costs)
that would work as well.
Philippe and me will be in the same situation
No idea up to now about the best solution.
Jilayne Lovejoy | Corporate Counsel
jlovejoy@...
720 240 4545 | phone
Follow me on Twitter @jilaynelovejoy

OpenLogic, Inc.
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Re: Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

guillaume.rousseau@antelink.com
 

Le 12/03/12 17:31, Kevin P. Fleming a écrit :
Hopefully this isn't an inappropriate usage of this mailing list...

Two of us from Digium will be coming to the Bay Area to participate in the LF Collaboration Summit and SPDX events. We'll be staying near Union Square and aren't planning to have a rental vehicle since nearly all of our activities in the Bay Area can be reached via public transit.

However, the SPDX Forum in San Jose is not practical to reach via public transit from downtown San Francisco (two hours each way, it appears, twice as long as driving). We could of course rent a vehicle for that day, but that seems a bit wasteful since it would be parked nearly all day.

I'm posting this here in hopes that someone might offer up a creative solution (or two, or three). If there are other non-Bay Area participants who will be in the same situation, we could try to arrange some ride-sharing. If anyone who lives in the area would be willing to offer carpool services (we'd be happy to offset the costs) that would work as well.
Philippe and me will be in the same situation
No idea up to now about the best solution.

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Antelink, Open Source Gouvernance Architects
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Logistics for visitors to the Bay Area getting to the SPDX Forum on April 6

Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming@...>
 

Hopefully this isn't an inappropriate usage of this mailing list...

Two of us from Digium will be coming to the Bay Area to participate in the LF Collaboration Summit and SPDX events. We'll be staying near Union Square and aren't planning to have a rental vehicle since nearly all of our activities in the Bay Area can be reached via public transit.

However, the SPDX Forum in San Jose is not practical to reach via public transit from downtown San Francisco (two hours each way, it appears, twice as long as driving). We could of course rent a vehicle for that day, but that seems a bit wasteful since it would be parked nearly all day.

I'm posting this here in hopes that someone might offer up a creative solution (or two, or three). If there are other non-Bay Area participants who will be in the same situation, we could try to arrange some ride-sharing. If anyone who lives in the area would be willing to offer carpool services (we'd be happy to offset the costs) that would work as well.

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Re: SPDX at Collaboration Summit

Amanda McPherson <amanda@...>
 

Kevin, you are approved so please go ahead and book your travel. 

Amanda


On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Kim Weins <kim.weins@...> wrote:

Amanda

Can you approve Kevin sooner rather than later?

Kim
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Subject:
Re: SPDX at Collaboration Summit

On 03/08/2012 10:15 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> The schedule for the Collaboration Summit is available now:
> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/schedule
>
> The SPDX working group session will be on Thursday. There's also a
> legal track on Wednesday, and a panel discussion about supply chains
> on Tuesday.
>
> If you're planning to attend the SPDX meeting at the Collaboration
> Summit, you have to request an invitation at
> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/request-an-invitation
> Attendance is free of charge.

I have just requested an invitation, as has our in-house counsel, and we're really looking forward to getting involved in the SPDX effort.

However, I noticed that the response to my invitation request said it could take up to 10 business days to be approved (or denied). Given that we need to schedule travel as soon as we can in order to minimize costs, I'm wondering if it's really going to take that long. Ten business days from today is the 22nd, which is less than two weeks before the event.

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Re: SPDX at Collaboration Summit

Kim Weins
 


Amanda

Can you approve Kevin sooner rather than later?

Kim
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To:
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Sent:
Thu, Mar 8, 2012 19:31:56 GMT+00:00
Subject:
Re: SPDX at Collaboration Summit

On 03/08/2012 10:15 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> The schedule for the Collaboration Summit is available now:
> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/schedule
>
> The SPDX working group session will be on Thursday. There's also a
> legal track on Wednesday, and a panel discussion about supply chains
> on Tuesday.
>
> If you're planning to attend the SPDX meeting at the Collaboration
> Summit, you have to request an invitation at
> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/request-an-invitation
> Attendance is free of charge.

I have just requested an invitation, as has our in-house counsel, and we're really looking forward to getting involved in the SPDX effort.

However, I noticed that the response to my invitation request said it could take up to 10 business days to be approved (or denied). Given that we need to schedule travel as soon as we can in order to minimize costs, I'm wondering if it's really going to take that long. Ten business days from today is the 22nd, which is less than two weeks before the event.

-- Kevin P. Fleming
Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies
Jabber: kfleming@... | SIP: kpfleming@... | Skype: kpfleming
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Re: SPDX at Collaboration Summit

Kevin P. Fleming <kpfleming@...>
 

On 03/08/2012 10:15 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
The schedule for the Collaboration Summit is available now:
https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/schedule

The SPDX working group session will be on Thursday. There's also a
legal track on Wednesday, and a panel discussion about supply chains
on Tuesday.

If you're planning to attend the SPDX meeting at the Collaboration
Summit, you have to request an invitation at
https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/request-an-invitation
Attendance is free of charge.
I have just requested an invitation, as has our in-house counsel, and we're really looking forward to getting involved in the SPDX effort.

However, I noticed that the response to my invitation request said it could take up to 10 business days to be approved (or denied). Given that we need to schedule travel as soon as we can in order to minimize costs, I'm wondering if it's really going to take that long. Ten business days from today is the 22nd, which is less than two weeks before the event.

--
Kevin P. Fleming
Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies
Jabber: kfleming@... | SIP: kpfleming@... | Skype: kpfleming
445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA
Check us out at www.digium.com & www.asterisk.org


SPDX at Collaboration Summit

Martin Michlmayr
 

The schedule for the Collaboration Summit is available now:
https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/schedule

The SPDX working group session will be on Thursday. There's also a
legal track on Wednesday, and a panel discussion about supply chains
on Tuesday.

If you're planning to attend the SPDX meeting at the Collaboration
Summit, you have to request an invitation at
https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/request-an-invitation
Attendance is free of charge.

--
Martin Michlmayr
Open Source Program Office, Hewlett-Packard


Today's SPDX General Meeting

Philip Odence
 

Save the Dates:
  • We will have a working meeting at the Linux Collab Summit in San Francisco, April 4-5
  • There will also be an SPDX event at Cisco in San Jose, April 6. The purpose will be outreach and education. Please let Kim Weins  kim.weins@... know if you have contacts at other companies in the Bay Area whom we should invite.
Timezone Alert:
  • Be aware that US goes on Daylight Time this Sunday. Europe does not got to Europe Summer Time for two weeks on March 25. During that period the timezones will be an hour shorter than normal. 
  • We will continue to run SPDX meetings at same US times during that period.

Meeting Time: March 8, 8am PST / 10 am CST / 11am EST / 15:00 UTC. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html

Conf call dial-in:
Conference code:  7812589502
Toll-free dial-in number (U.S. and Canada):  (877) 435-0230
International dial-in number: (253) 336-6732
For those dialing in from other regions, a list of toll free numbers can be found: 
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Administrative Agenda
Attendance
Approve Minutes   

Technical Team Report - Kate

Legal Team Report - Jilayne

Business Team Report - Kim

Cross Functional Issues – Phil


Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

Mike Milinkovich
 

Oh, so _you're_ the guys to blame for people calling the license "Eclipse"!

That explains everything.

(just kidding)

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Sent: March-02-12 1:14 PM
To: Jilayne Lovejoy; Tom Incorvia; Ed Warnicke (eaw); Richard Fontana
Cc: spdx-tech@...; spdx-legal@...; SPDX
Subject: RE: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

FWIW, Fossology uses Eclipse_v1.0 but I think EPL works as well and folks
would get use to it over time. My primary question/concern is the effect
of
changes like this on backward compatibility and general user confusion.
On
the other hand, if we are going to change it I suppose now is the time
since
there is probably not a lot of SPDX 1.0 implemented yet.

-Scott

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On Behalf Of Jilayne Lovejoy
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:49 AM
To: Tom Incorvia; Ed Warnicke (eaw); Richard Fontana
Cc: spdx-tech@...; spdx-legal@...; SPDX
Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

YES! Thanks for the plug, Tom. Indeed, it would be great to have more
voices on a more regular basis. The next legal workstream call is this
coming
Wednesday at 8am PT/ 11am ET We will be discussing various license list
issues, so please join!

Updated dial-in info:
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** This is a new dial-in number ** I will send another reminder to the
email
list the day prior as well.

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On 2/29/12 8:44 PM, "Tom Incorvia" <tom.incorvia@...> wrote:

Thanks all, your replies are truly appreciated.

I withdraw the request to change the License identifier for the
Eclipse Public License from EPL-1.0 to Eclipse-1.0.

Separately, we are looking for knowledgeable individuals like those
who replied to participate more fully with SPDX. Please consider
joining one of the SPDX working teams.

Thanks,

Tom

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From: Ed Warnicke (eaw) [mailto:eaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:08 PM
To: Richard Fontana
Cc: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...;
mike.milinkovich@...; SPDX; spdx-tech@...
Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

I've only ever heard it referenced as the EPL.



On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "Richard Fontana" <rfontana@...>
wrote:

FWIW, I don't think I've ever encountered "Eclipse" meaning "Eclipse
Public License". Always EPL or the full expanded name.

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 07:48:09PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks Mike,



The Eclipse Foundation certainly gets the big vote regarding how
their license is referred to.



My experience is primarily commercial ISVs in the tools space, about
a dozen, ranging in yearly revenue from $50M to $500M. In written
correspondence over a period of several years, the phrase "Eclipse
1.0" is used more than 15x "EPL 1.0". The folks using the ²Eclipse
1.0² term have included many substantial contributors to the Eclipse
project (for instance, Borland Software).



Let¹s let this cook for one more day.



If the feedback continues as it has, I¹ll simply withdraw the
request. Like you, I am surprised at the disparity in usage of the
abbreviated term ­ I rarely see EPL, and assumed that this
suggestion would pass through the SPDX group as more of an FYI.



Thanks again -- it is great to have community postings so the
broadest view is represented.



Tom



Tom Incorvia

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From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:16 PM
To: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: 'SPDX'
Subject: RE: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Tom,



FWIW, It is certainly news to me that people refer to the EPL as
"Eclipse". I have universally heard it referred to as the EPL. I
have literally never heard it referred to as Eclipse.



I don't have a strong feeling about this one way or another. I just
find it surprising that my experience is so contrary to yours.



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From: spdx-bounces@...
[mailto:spdx-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Tom Incorvia
Sent: February-29-12 4:00 PM
To: spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: SPDX
Subject: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License
1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Hello SPDX license list interested parties,



I would like to propose that we change the License Identifier for
the Eclipse Public License 1.0 on the SPDX License List from
³EPL-1.0² to ³Eclipse-1.0².



I suggest this because ³Eclipse² is how the license is commonly
referred
to.



Secondarily, I have recently received 2 calls when documents
referred to EPL-1.0, and the Identifier was simply not visually
recognized by the user (yes, they could have clicked the link, but
if Eclipse is the common usage, let¹s go with it unless there is a
cost).



Any concerns?



Thanks,



Tom



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Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

Lamons, Scott (Open Source Program Office) <scott.lamons@...>
 

FWIW, Fossology uses Eclipse_v1.0 but I think EPL works as well and folks would get use to it over time. My primary question/concern is the effect of changes like this on backward compatibility and general user confusion. On the other hand, if we are going to change it I suppose now is the time since there is probably not a lot of SPDX 1.0 implemented yet.

-Scott

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Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

YES! Thanks for the plug, Tom. Indeed, it would be great to have more
voices on a more regular basis. The next legal workstream call is this
coming Wednesday at 8am PT/ 11am ET
We will be discussing various license list issues, so please join!

Updated dial-in info:
1.866.740.1260 or +001.303.248.0285
Access code: 2404545

** This is a new dial-in number ** I will send another reminder to the email
list the day prior as well.

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On 2/29/12 8:44 PM, "Tom Incorvia" <tom.incorvia@...> wrote:

Thanks all, your replies are truly appreciated.

I withdraw the request to change the License identifier for the Eclipse Public
License from EPL-1.0 to Eclipse-1.0.

Separately, we are looking for knowledgeable individuals like those who
replied to participate more fully with SPDX. Please consider joining one of
the SPDX working teams.

Thanks,

Tom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Warnicke (eaw) [mailto:eaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:08 PM
To: Richard Fontana
Cc: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...; mike.milinkovich@...;
SPDX; spdx-tech@...
Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

I've only ever heard it referenced as the EPL.



On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "Richard Fontana" <rfontana@...> wrote:

FWIW, I don't think I've ever encountered "Eclipse" meaning "Eclipse
Public License". Always EPL or the full expanded name.

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 07:48:09PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks Mike,



The Eclipse Foundation certainly gets the big vote regarding how
their license is referred to.



My experience is primarily commercial ISVs in the tools space, about
a dozen, ranging in yearly revenue from $50M to $500M. In written
correspondence over a period of several years, the phrase "Eclipse
1.0" is used more than 15x "EPL 1.0". The folks using the ²Eclipse
1.0² term have included many substantial contributors to the Eclipse project
(for instance, Borland Software).



Let¹s let this cook for one more day.



If the feedback continues as it has, I¹ll simply withdraw the
request. Like you, I am surprised at the disparity in usage of the
abbreviated term ­ I rarely see EPL, and assumed that this suggestion
would pass through the SPDX group as more of an FYI.



Thanks again -- it is great to have community postings so the
broadest view is represented.



Tom



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Cc: 'SPDX'
Subject: RE: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Tom,



FWIW, It is certainly news to me that people refer to the EPL as
"Eclipse". I have universally heard it referred to as the EPL. I have
literally never heard it referred to as Eclipse.



I don't have a strong feeling about this one way or another. I just
find it surprising that my experience is so contrary to yours.



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Sent: February-29-12 4:00 PM
To: spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: SPDX
Subject: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License
1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Hello SPDX license list interested parties,



I would like to propose that we change the License Identifier for the
Eclipse Public License 1.0 on the SPDX License List from ³EPL-1.0² to
³Eclipse-1.0².



I suggest this because ³Eclipse² is how the license is commonly referred to.



Secondarily, I have recently received 2 calls when documents referred
to EPL-1.0, and the Identifier was simply not visually recognized by
the user (yes, they could have clicked the link, but if Eclipse is the
common usage,
let¹s go with it unless there is a cost).



Any concerns?



Thanks,



Tom



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Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

Mike Milinkovich
 

I had no idea we were such troublemakers!

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Fontana [mailto:rfontana@...]
Sent: March-02-12 10:26 AM
To: Tom Incorvia
Cc: Ed Warnicke (eaw); spdx-legal@...;
mike.milinkovich@...; SPDX; spdx-tech@...
Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

Just as an amusing followup, today I was on an email thread where someone
referred to the EPL as "an Eclipse license". But I think that must reflect the
person's relative lack of familiarity with the EPL. In the same thread everyone
else referred to it as the EPL.

Actually, come to think of it, "an Eclipse license" is technically not incorrect
since the Eclipse Foundation has at least one other Eclipse branded license,
the Eclipse Distribution License 1.0 -- though this is essentially identical to the
3-clause BSD license and may be entirley identical in an SPDX sense. But it
also shows that it could be misleading to refer to the EPL as "Eclipse 1.0" since
there *is* another Eclipse 1.0 license. :)

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 09:44:01PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks all, your replies are truly appreciated.

I withdraw the request to change the License identifier for the Eclipse
Public License from EPL-1.0 to Eclipse-1.0.

Separately, we are looking for knowledgeable individuals like those who
replied to participate more fully with SPDX. Please consider joining one of
the SPDX working teams.

Thanks,

Tom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Warnicke (eaw) [mailto:eaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:08 PM
To: Richard Fontana
Cc: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...;
mike.milinkovich@...; SPDX; spdx-tech@...
Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

I've only ever heard it referenced as the EPL.



On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "Richard Fontana" <rfontana@...>
wrote:

FWIW, I don't think I've ever encountered "Eclipse" meaning "Eclipse
Public License". Always EPL or the full expanded name.

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 07:48:09PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks Mike,



The Eclipse Foundation certainly gets the big vote regarding how
their license is referred to.



My experience is primarily commercial ISVs in the tools space,
about a dozen, ranging in yearly revenue from $50M to $500M. In
written correspondence over a period of several years, the phrase
"Eclipse 1.0" is used more than 15x "EPL 1.0". The folks using the
”Eclipse 1.0” term have included many substantial contributors to the
Eclipse project (for instance, Borland Software).



Let’s let this cook for one more day.



If the feedback continues as it has, I’ll simply withdraw the
request. Like you, I am surprised at the disparity in usage of the
abbreviated term – I rarely see EPL, and assumed that this
suggestion would pass through the SPDX group as more of an FYI.



Thanks again -- it is great to have community postings so the
broadest view is represented.



Tom



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From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:16 PM
To: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: 'SPDX'
Subject: RE: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Tom,



FWIW, It is certainly news to me that people refer to the EPL as
"Eclipse". I have universally heard it referred to as the EPL. I
have literally never heard it referred to as Eclipse.



I don't have a strong feeling about this one way or another. I just
find it surprising that my experience is so contrary to yours.



Mike Milinkovich

Executive Director

Eclipse Foundation, Inc.

Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228

Mobile: +1.613.220.3223

mike.milinkovich@...

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twitter: @mmilinkov



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Sent: February-29-12 4:00 PM
To: spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: SPDX
Subject: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License
1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Hello SPDX license list interested parties,



I would like to propose that we change the License Identifier for
the Eclipse Public License 1.0 on the SPDX License List from “EPL-1.0” to
“Eclipse-1.0”.



I suggest this because “Eclipse” is how the license is commonly referred
to.



Secondarily, I have recently received 2 calls when documents
referred to EPL-1.0, and the Identifier was simply not visually
recognized by the user (yes, they could have clicked the link, but if
Eclipse is the common usage,
let’s go with it unless there is a cost).



Any concerns?



Thanks,



Tom



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Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

Richard Fontana
 

Just as an amusing followup, today I was on an email thread where
someone referred to the EPL as "an Eclipse license". But I think that
must reflect the person's relative lack of familiarity with the
EPL. In the same thread everyone else referred to it as the EPL.

Actually, come to think of it, "an Eclipse license" is technically not
incorrect since the Eclipse Foundation has at least one other Eclipse
branded license, the Eclipse Distribution License 1.0 -- though this
is essentially identical to the 3-clause BSD license and may be
entirley identical in an SPDX sense. But it also shows that it could
be misleading to refer to the EPL as "Eclipse 1.0" since there *is*
another Eclipse 1.0 license. :)

- Richard

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 09:44:01PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks all, your replies are truly appreciated.

I withdraw the request to change the License identifier for the Eclipse Public License from EPL-1.0 to Eclipse-1.0.

Separately, we are looking for knowledgeable individuals like those who replied to participate more fully with SPDX. Please consider joining one of the SPDX working teams.

Thanks,

Tom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Warnicke (eaw) [mailto:eaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:08 PM
To: Richard Fontana
Cc: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...; mike.milinkovich@...; SPDX; spdx-tech@...
Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

I've only ever heard it referenced as the EPL.



On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "Richard Fontana" <rfontana@...> wrote:

FWIW, I don't think I've ever encountered "Eclipse" meaning "Eclipse
Public License". Always EPL or the full expanded name.

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 07:48:09PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks Mike,



The Eclipse Foundation certainly gets the big vote regarding how
their license is referred to.



My experience is primarily commercial ISVs in the tools space, about
a dozen, ranging in yearly revenue from $50M to $500M. In written
correspondence over a period of several years, the phrase "Eclipse
1.0" is used more than 15x "EPL 1.0". The folks using the ”Eclipse
1.0” term have included many substantial contributors to the Eclipse project (for instance, Borland Software).



Let’s let this cook for one more day.



If the feedback continues as it has, I’ll simply withdraw the
request. Like you, I am surprised at the disparity in usage of the
abbreviated term – I rarely see EPL, and assumed that this suggestion
would pass through the SPDX group as more of an FYI.



Thanks again -- it is great to have community postings so the
broadest view is represented.



Tom



Tom Incorvia

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Direct: (512) 340-1336

From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:16 PM
To: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: 'SPDX'
Subject: RE: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Tom,



FWIW, It is certainly news to me that people refer to the EPL as
"Eclipse". I have universally heard it referred to as the EPL. I have
literally never heard it referred to as Eclipse.



I don't have a strong feeling about this one way or another. I just
find it surprising that my experience is so contrary to yours.



Mike Milinkovich

Executive Director

Eclipse Foundation, Inc.

Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228

Mobile: +1.613.220.3223

mike.milinkovich@...

blog: http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/

twitter: @mmilinkov



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Sent: February-29-12 4:00 PM
To: spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: SPDX
Subject: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License
1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Hello SPDX license list interested parties,



I would like to propose that we change the License Identifier for the
Eclipse Public License 1.0 on the SPDX License List from “EPL-1.0” to “Eclipse-1.0”.



I suggest this because “Eclipse” is how the license is commonly referred to.



Secondarily, I have recently received 2 calls when documents referred
to EPL-1.0, and the Identifier was simply not visually recognized by
the user (yes, they could have clicked the link, but if Eclipse is the common usage,
let’s go with it unless there is a cost).



Any concerns?



Thanks,



Tom



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Info on SPDX participation at LF Collab Summit (April 3-5)

Kim Weins
 


Hi all,

Here are the details that are shaping up for the Collab Summit.  The schedule is not finalized, so there could be some changes, but here is what we know as of now.

  • We will have an SPDX overview session (presented by Mark Gisi) most likely as part of the legal track on Wednesday.
    • Legal track is being organized by Bradley Kuhn
  • We may get an opportunity to be part of the keynote (still TBD)
  • We will have a room all day Thursday for our face-to-face meetings
  • We are trying to get a smaller room for the tech team for a half day on Wed..  We're not sure if we will get this or not.  If we do, it will be at the same time as the Legal track on Wednesday -- so you would have to choose between the legal track or the tech team meeting.

LF should be posting the schedule next week on the website.

We will need to develop an agenda for what we want to cover on Thursday.  I assume we will want some time for each of the workstreams.

Kim


Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

Jilayne Lovejoy <jilayne.lovejoy@...>
 

YES! Thanks for the plug, Tom. Indeed, it would be great to have more
voices on a more regular basis. The next legal workstream call is this
coming Wednesday at 8am PT/ 11am ET
We will be discussing various license list issues, so please join!

Updated dial-in info:
1.866.740.1260 or +001.303.248.0285
Access code: 2404545

** This is a new dial-in number ** I will send another reminder to the email
list the day prior as well.

Jilayne


On 2/29/12 8:44 PM, "Tom Incorvia" <tom.incorvia@...> wrote:

Thanks all, your replies are truly appreciated.

I withdraw the request to change the License identifier for the Eclipse Public
License from EPL-1.0 to Eclipse-1.0.

Separately, we are looking for knowledgeable individuals like those who
replied to participate more fully with SPDX. Please consider joining one of
the SPDX working teams.

Thanks,

Tom

Tom Incorvia
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Direct:  (512) 340-1336
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Warnicke (eaw) [mailto:eaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:08 PM
To: Richard Fontana
Cc: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...; mike.milinkovich@...;
SPDX; spdx-tech@...
Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

I've only ever heard it referenced as the EPL.



On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "Richard Fontana" <rfontana@...> wrote:

FWIW, I don't think I've ever encountered "Eclipse" meaning "Eclipse
Public License". Always EPL or the full expanded name.

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 07:48:09PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks Mike,



The Eclipse Foundation certainly gets the big vote regarding how
their license is referred to.



My experience is primarily commercial ISVs in the tools space, about
a dozen, ranging in yearly revenue from $50M to $500M. In written
correspondence over a period of several years, the phrase "Eclipse
1.0" is used more than 15x "EPL 1.0". The folks using the ²Eclipse
1.0² term have included many substantial contributors to the Eclipse project
(for instance, Borland Software).



Let¹s let this cook for one more day.



If the feedback continues as it has, I¹ll simply withdraw the
request. Like you, I am surprised at the disparity in usage of the
abbreviated term ­ I rarely see EPL, and assumed that this suggestion
would pass through the SPDX group as more of an FYI.



Thanks again -- it is great to have community postings so the
broadest view is represented.



Tom



Tom Incorvia

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Direct: (512) 340-1336

From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:16 PM
To: Tom Incorvia; spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: 'SPDX'
Subject: RE: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Tom,



FWIW, It is certainly news to me that people refer to the EPL as
"Eclipse". I have universally heard it referred to as the EPL. I have
literally never heard it referred to as Eclipse.



I don't have a strong feeling about this one way or another. I just
find it surprising that my experience is so contrary to yours.



Mike Milinkovich

Executive Director

Eclipse Foundation, Inc.

Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228

Mobile: +1.613.220.3223

mike.milinkovich@...

blog: http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/

twitter: @mmilinkov



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Sent: February-29-12 4:00 PM
To: spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: SPDX
Subject: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License
1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Hello SPDX license list interested parties,



I would like to propose that we change the License Identifier for the
Eclipse Public License 1.0 on the SPDX License List from ³EPL-1.0² to
³Eclipse-1.0².



I suggest this because ³Eclipse² is how the license is commonly referred to.



Secondarily, I have recently received 2 calls when documents referred
to EPL-1.0, and the Identifier was simply not visually recognized by
the user (yes, they could have clicked the link, but if Eclipse is the
common usage,
let¹s go with it unless there is a cost).



Any concerns?



Thanks,



Tom



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Re: LF SPDX link broken

Martin Michlmayr
 

Thanks, Scott. I've informed the LF.

* Scott Lamons <scott.lamons@...> [2012-03-01 01:52]:

Hi Folks,

Just thought I would point out that the SPDX link on the LF Open Compliance Program<http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/compliance> page appears to be broken.

-Scott

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