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Re: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

Tom Incorvia
 

Hello Phil, fine to use Micro Focus name in this context. Thanks, Tom
Tom Incorvia; tom.incorvia@microfocus.com; O: (512) 340-1336; M: (408) 499 6850

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Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 4:14 AM
To: podence@blackducksoftware.com
Cc: spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: Re: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

Hi Phil

REQUEST for immediate action:
Jilayne, Scott and I are working on a paper for law journal (IFOSSLR). In one section we are talking about the license list. We have heard anecdotally about some companies that are using the short names and list for internal purposes even if they have not yet implemented SPDX overall. If your company is using SPDX in this way, we'd like to include the name of your company in a sentence, something along the lines of:
A number of companies, such as X, Y and Z, are already using the license list and short names internally.
Please get back to me if we can include your company on the list. We are trying to wrap up the article next week, so a response in the next few days would be appreciated.
Yes, we are using the license list internally at Siemens. You can add us to the list as well.

All the best!
Roger



With best regards,
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Siemens Schweiz AG, Building Technologies Division, International Headquarters Infrastructure & Cities Sector Building Technologies Division Control Products & Systems IC BT CPS R&D ZG FW CCP Gubelstrasse 22
6300 Zug, Switzerland
Tel: +41 41 724-4942
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Re: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

RUFFIN MICHEL
 

Alcatel-Lucent is using the SPDX standard internally and we have aligned all our internal documents on FOSS (including trainings) and our Databases on the license taxonomy of SPDX. So I guess you can mention our name for license taxonomy compliance.

A small comment on the taxonomy. We have a governance process in place since 10 years and I have now to explain to people (already trained as experts, that's around 250+ people) that what we were calling old BSD or BSD1 is now BSD4-clause and new BSD or BSD2 is now BSD3-clause. That's sometimes a bit confusing 8-). Even me I am a bit confused sometimes.

So today for BSD, in document and trainings we keep the 3 way of calling the licenses

I would like to point out that there is a big issue with the SPDX standard.
For a given FOSS there is a top level license
And there is a file level license
There is no intermediate level

In fact there are 3 levels for open sources
Top level license of the FOSS
Dependencies (FOSS which are included with the top level FOSS)
File level license (not use in practice by any of our suppliers).
This is something that SPDX should address

Michel
Michel.Ruffin@Alcatel-Lucent.com, PhD
Software Coordination Manager, N&P IS/IT
Distinguished Member of Technical Staff
Tel +33 (0) 6 75 25 21 94
Alcatel-Lucent International, Centre de Villarceaux
Route De Villejust, 91620 Nozay, France

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Objet : RE: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

You can include Texas Instruments as well.

Jack


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Cc: spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: Re: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

Hi Phil

REQUEST for immediate action:
Jilayne, Scott and I are working on a paper for law journal (IFOSSLR). In one section we are talking about the license list. We have heard anecdotally about some companies that are using the short names and list for internal purposes even if they have not yet implemented SPDX overall. If your company is using SPDX in this way, we'd like to include the name of your company in a sentence, something along the lines of:
A number of companies, such as X, Y and Z, are already using the license list and short names internally.
Please get back to me if we can include your company on the list. We are trying to wrap up the article next week, so a response in the next few days would be appreciated.
Yes, we are using the license list internally at Siemens. You can add us to the list as well.

All the best!
Roger



With best regards,
Roger Meier

Siemens Schweiz AG, Building Technologies Division, International Headquarters Infrastructure & Cities Sector Building Technologies Division Control Products & Systems IC BT CPS R&D ZG FW CCP Gubelstrasse 22
6300 Zug, Switzerland
Tel: +41 41 724-4942
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Re: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

Manbeck, Jack
 

You can include Texas Instruments as well.

Jack

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Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:14 AM
To: podence@blackducksoftware.com
Cc: spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: Re: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

Hi Phil

REQUEST for immediate action:
Jilayne, Scott and I are working on a paper for law journal (IFOSSLR). In one section we are talking about the license list. We have heard anecdotally about some companies that are using the short names and list for internal purposes even if they have not yet implemented SPDX overall. If your company is using SPDX in this way, we'd like to include the name of your company in a sentence, something along the lines of:
A number of companies, such as X, Y and Z, are already using the license list and short names internally.
Please get back to me if we can include your company on the list. We are trying to wrap up the article next week, so a response in the next few days would be appreciated.
Yes, we are using the license list internally at Siemens. You can add us to the list as well.

All the best!
Roger



With best regards,
Roger Meier

Siemens Schweiz AG, Building Technologies Division, International Headquarters Infrastructure & Cities Sector Building Technologies Division Control Products & Systems IC BT CPS R&D ZG FW CCP Gubelstrasse 22
6300 Zug, Switzerland
Tel: +41 41 724-4942
mailto:r.meier@siemens.com



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Re: SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

Meier, Roger <r.meier@...>
 

Hi Phil

REQUEST for immediate action:
Jilayne, Scott and I are working on a paper for law journal (IFOSSLR). In one section we are talking about the license list. We have heard anecdotally about some companies that are using the short names and list for internal purposes even if they have not yet implemented SPDX overall. If your company is using SPDX in this way, we'd like to include the name of your company in a sentence, something along the lines of:
A number of companies, such as X, Y and Z, are already using the license list and short names internally.
Please get back to me if we can include your company on the list. We are trying to wrap up the article next week, so a response in the next few days would be appreciated.
Yes, we are using the license list internally at Siemens. You can add us to the list as well.

All the best!
Roger



With best regards,
Roger Meier

Siemens Schweiz AG, Building Technologies Division, International Headquarters
Infrastructure & Cities Sector
Building Technologies Division
Control Products & Systems
IC BT CPS R&D ZG FW CCP
Gubelstrasse 22
6300 Zug, Switzerland
Tel: +41 41 724-4942
mailto:r.meier@siemens.com



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SPDX LinuxCon 2013 Schedule

Manbeck, Jack
 

All,

 

SPDX has an unofficial (meaning we are not on the regular schedule) room which will be using for meetings at LinuxCon 2013. A schedule has been posted on the SPDX web site (http://spdx.org) as a news item. We hope to see many of you there.

 

Best regards,

 

Jack Manbeck (Business Team Co-Chair)

 

 

 


SPDX General Meeting minutes and request

Philip Odence
 

MINUTES of Aug 1 meeting:

REQUEST for immediate action:
Jilayne, Scott and I are working on a paper for law journal (IFOSSLR). In one section we are talking about the license list. We have heard anecdotally about some companies that are using the short names and list for internal purposes even if they have not yet implemented SPDX overall. If your company is using SPDX in this way, we'd like to include the name of your company in a sentence, something along the lines of:
A number of companies, such as X, Y and Z, are already using the license list and short names internally.

Please get back to me if we can include your company on the list. We are trying to wrap up the article next week, so a response in the next few days would be appreciated.




Today's SPDX General Meeting

Philip Odence
 

Sorry not to get this reminder out earlier, but August just snuck up on me!



Meeting Time: Thurs, Aug 1, 8am PST / 10 am CST / 11am EST / 15:00 UTC. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html

Conf call dial-in:
Conference code:  7812589502
Toll-free dial-in number (U.S. and Canada):  (877) 435-0230
International dial-in number: (253) 336-6732
For those dialing in from other regions, a list of toll free numbers can be found: 
https://www.intercallonline.com/portlets/scheduling/viewNumbers/viewNumber.do?ownerNumber=6053870&audioType=RP&viewGa=false&ga=OFF

 
Administrative Agenda
Attendance
Approve Minutes- 

Technical Team Report - Kate


Legal Team Report - Jilayne


Business Team Report – Jack/Scott


Cross Functional Issues – Phil
Website Update – Jack


Request New License: IBM PowerPC Initialization and Boot Software(ibm-pibs)

Roger Meier <roger@...>
 

Hi all

Based on Wolfgang Denk's question regarding the PIBS License
Identifier(PowerPC Initialization and Boot Software) on the spdx general
mailing list. I would like to officially request this License to be added to
the SPDX License List according to
http://spdx.org/spdx-license-list/request-new-license

1.proposed Full Name for the license: IBM PowerPC Initialization and Boot
Software
2.proposed License Short Identifier: ibm-pibs
3.Provide a functioning URL: not available
4.Create and attach license text ibm-pibs.txt (attachment)
5.OSI-approved: No
6.Short explanation regarding the need for this license to be included on
the License List:
This License is used within "Das U-Boot -- the Universal Boot Loader",
File list:

http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/powerpc/cpu/ppc4xx/4xx_pci.c;
h=2ca355b1347969cca6ac4b0bd355329c51dd1fc0;hb=9fab4bf4cc077c21e43941866f3f2c
196f28670d

http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/powerpc/cpu/ppc4xx/4xx_uart.c
;h=1ad19abff6db2138dea7287b6eeecb840418d601;hb=9fab4bf4cc077c21e43941866f3f2
c196f28670d

http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/powerpc/cpu/ppc4xx/miiphy.c;h
=297155fdafa064b955e53e9832de93bfb0cfb85b;hb=9fab4bf4cc077c21e43941866f3f2c1
96f28670d
Official information from IBM describing the Software Licensing Model
(chapter 5):

https://www-01.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/BD4A044F267FE8BC87
256F820055C6CF/$file/pibs_overview.pdf
U-Boot started to use a SPDX-License-Identifier per file instead of the
license text, see here:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/166449

Thank you!
-roger


Re: PIBS License Identifier

Wolfgang Denk
 

Dear Jack,

In message <858B013A986C4F43A8A43AF62F39E5660CCEE5D7@DFLE08.ent.ti.com> you wrote:

As far as I can recall they have not been looked at. Someone on the
legal team who maintains the list may have a better idea. Do you have
links to some of the files so we can look at them?
Unfortunately I cannot find any still working links to the actual
PIBS software; Allt here is left is some "PIBS Overview" document at
[1] which mentions that PIBS is licensed using an "IBM proprietary
open source license."

The best reference that is publicly online available appears to be
these files [2], [3] and [4] in U-Boot which were derived from some
PIBS code.

[1] https://www-01.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/BD4A044F267FE8BC87256F820055C6CF/$file/pibs_overview.pdf
[2] http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/powerpc/cpu/ppc4xx/4xx_pci.c;h=2ca355b1347969cca6ac4b0bd355329c51dd1fc0;hb=9fab4bf4cc077c21e43941866f3f2c196f28670d
[3] http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/powerpc/cpu/ppc4xx/4xx_uart.c;h=1ad19abff6db2138dea7287b6eeecb840418d601;hb=9fab4bf4cc077c21e43941866f3f2c196f28670d
[4] http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=arch/powerpc/cpu/ppc4xx/miiphy.c;h=297155fdafa064b955e53e9832de93bfb0cfb85b;hb=9fab4bf4cc077c21e43941866f3f2c196f28670d


Hope this helps.


Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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Re: PIBS License Identifier

Manbeck, Jack
 

Wolfgang,

As far as I can recall they have not been looked at. Someone on the legal team who maintains the list may have a better idea. Do you have links to some of the files so we can look at them?

Regards,

Jack Manbeck
Texas Instruments

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From: spdx-bounces@lists.spdx.org [mailto:spdx-bounces@lists.spdx.org] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Denk
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:24 AM
To: spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: PIBS License Identifier

Hello,

IBM has published several versions of their PIBS (PowerPC Initialization and Boot Software) boot loader source code with a license header like this:

---------- snip ----------
This source code has been made available to you by IBM on an AS-IS basis. Anyone receiving this source is licensed under IBM copyrights to use it in any way he or she deems fit, including copying it, modifying it, compiling it, and redistributing it either with or without modifications. No license under IBM patents or patent applications is to be implied by the copyright license.

Any user of this software should understand that IBM cannot provide technical support for this software and will not be responsible for any consequences resulting from the use of this software.

Any person who transfers this source code or any derivative work must include the IBM copyright notice, this paragraph, and the preceding two paragraphs in the transferred software.

COPYRIGHT I B M CORPORATION 2002
LICENSED MATERIAL - PROGRAM PROPERTY OF I B M
---------- snip ----------

I have another version of this license text dated 1995.

Has any of these been evaluated before? I can't find a SPDX License Identifier for this?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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PIBS License Identifier

Wolfgang Denk
 

Hello,

IBM has published several versions of their PIBS (PowerPC
Initialization and Boot Software) boot loader source code with a
license header like this:

---------- snip ----------
This source code has been made available to you by IBM on an AS-IS
basis. Anyone receiving this source is licensed under IBM
copyrights to use it in any way he or she deems fit, including
copying it, modifying it, compiling it, and redistributing it either
with or without modifications. No license under IBM patents or
patent applications is to be implied by the copyright license.

Any user of this software should understand that IBM cannot provide
technical support for this software and will not be responsible for
any consequences resulting from the use of this software.

Any person who transfers this source code or any derivative work
must include the IBM copyright notice, this paragraph, and the
preceding two paragraphs in the transferred software.

COPYRIGHT I B M CORPORATION 2002
LICENSED MATERIAL - PROGRAM PROPERTY OF I B M
---------- snip ----------

I have another version of this license text dated 1995.

Has any of these been evaluated before? I can't find a SPDX License
Identifier for this?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

--
DENX Software Engineering GmbH, MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd@denx.de
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.


Re: U-Boot: short license headers using SPDX Identifier

Jilayne Lovejoy <jilayne.lovejoy@...>
 

YES!!!! Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for being the trail blazer :)

We have talked about this idea quite a bit. I'm posting to the Legal Team
as well, in case some are not also on the General list.


Jilayne Lovejoy
SPDX Legal Team | Co-lead
OpenLogic, Inc. | Corporate Counsel

jlovejoy@openlogic.com

On 7/26/13 7:20 AM, "Wolfgang Denk" <wd@denx.de> wrote:

Dear Roger,

In message <045001ce89f0$e6805710$b3810530$@bufferoverflow.ch> you wrote:

I had a discussion with U-Boot Creator and Core Developer Wolfgang Denk.
He made some patches, they were accepted and the result is this header:
# (C) Copyright 2000-2013
# Wolfgang Denk, DENX Software Engineering, wd@denx.de.
# SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0+
Thanks (again) for poinin me in this direction. I really like the
idea of consistent, automatically parsable Unique License Identifiers.

and a Licenses folder with a README, Exception and the Licenses:
http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=tree;f=Licenses;hb=HEAD

see also mailing list details here:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/165416
or this web site: http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/Licensing

It is not applied to all files of U-Boot. However, more than 5760 files
already use this new header.
I would like to point out that this is just a "not yet"; this is still
work in progress - unfortunately the conversion requires careful
inspection and manual operation for a significant part of the files.
But then, this just makes all the more clear how urgently such an
improvement was needed.

a very resourceful way to simplify the license topic and an important
step
towards adoption of SPDX
usage within projects and SPDX files provided with OSS releases.
The most interesting thing now is to watch if other projects pick up
the idea...

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

--
DENX Software Engineering GmbH, MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd@denx.de
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Re: U-Boot: short license headers using SPDX Identifier

Wolfgang Denk
 

Dear Roger,

In message <045001ce89f0$e6805710$b3810530$@bufferoverflow.ch> you wrote:

I had a discussion with U-Boot Creator and Core Developer Wolfgang Denk.
He made some patches, they were accepted and the result is this header:
# (C) Copyright 2000-2013
# Wolfgang Denk, DENX Software Engineering, wd@denx.de.
# SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0+
Thanks (again) for poinin me in this direction. I really like the
idea of consistent, automatically parsable Unique License Identifiers.

and a Licenses folder with a README, Exception and the Licenses:
http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=tree;f=Licenses;hb=HEAD

see also mailing list details here:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/165416
or this web site: http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/Licensing

It is not applied to all files of U-Boot. However, more than 5760 files
already use this new header.
I would like to point out that this is just a "not yet"; this is still
work in progress - unfortunately the conversion requires careful
inspection and manual operation for a significant part of the files.
But then, this just makes all the more clear how urgently such an
improvement was needed.

a very resourceful way to simplify the license topic and an important step
towards adoption of SPDX
usage within projects and SPDX files provided with OSS releases.
The most interesting thing now is to watch if other projects pick up
the idea...

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

--
DENX Software Engineering GmbH, MD: Wolfgang Denk & Detlev Zundel
HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: wd@denx.de
Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing.


U-Boot: short license headers using SPDX Identifier

Roger Meier <roger@...>
 

All

I had a discussion with U-Boot Creator and Core Developer Wolfgang Denk.
He made some patches, they were accepted and the result is this header:
# (C) Copyright 2000-2013
# Wolfgang Denk, DENX Software Engineering, wd@denx.de.
# SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0+

and a Licenses folder with a README, Exception and the Licenses:
http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=tree;f=Licenses;hb=HEAD

see also mailing list details here:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/165416
or this web site: http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/Licensing

It is not applied to all files of U-Boot. However, more than 5760 files
already use this new header.

a very resourceful way to simplify the license topic and an important step
towards adoption of SPDX
usage within projects and SPDX files provided with OSS releases.

all the best!
-roger

PS: similar discussions at Apache:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-114


Have a tool that supports SPDX?

Manbeck, Jack
 

Greetings all,

 

We are looking to develop a comprehensive list of tools that support SPDX on our website. If you would like to be listed please go to the tool link request page in the wiki (http://wiki.spdx.org/view/Business_Team/Tool_Link_Request ) and follow the instructions there. Feel free to contact me directly if you have further questions.

 

Best regards,

 

Jack Manbeck

SPDX Web Site


LinuxCon schedule posted

Lamons, Scott (Open Source Program Office) <scott.lamons@...>
 


A little more on Fantec

Philip Odence
 

I've posted a couple of items about the Fantec case to the SPDX legal list. Adding this one and including all, because it's authored by Mark Radcliffe (counsel to OSI) and because Mark puts in nice plug for SPDX.

http://osdelivers.blackducksoftware.com/2013/07/12/fantec-critical-lessons-for-foss-compliance/


IDs for Sun Industry Standards Source License

Camille Moulin <camille.moulin@...>
 

Hi all,

I'm comparing SPDX and Fossology's licenses IDs and encountered a little difficulty regarding the Sun Industry Standards Source License.
The SPDX id for the version 1.1 of the license is just "SISSL", while Fossology's is "SISSL-1.1". At first glance, it seems that Fossology's choice is more consistent with SPDX's naming scheme, and I don't see the benefits of removing the version number. It also seems that there is a 1.2 version of this license (http://gridscheduler.sourceforge.net/Gridengine_SISSL_license.html ).
So, would adding the version number to the ID be desirable / possible ?

Best,
Camille

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SPDX General Meeting Minutes Correction

Philip Odence
 

Thanks to my friend Bruno Grasset for pointing out an error in my previous memo.

I had overwritten the May 2 minutes with the content of the July 3 minutes. The link I provided was to the correct content, but with the wrong title. Thanks to the Wiki's revisioning capability, I was able to retrieve the May 2 minutes as well as to properly create the July 3 minutes:

Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.


Minutes from July 3 SPDX General Meeting

Philip Odence
 

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