Re: Spdx Digest, Vol 22, Issue 33


Philip Odence
 

Good one!

On 6/22/12 4:57 PM, "Mahshad Koohgoli" <koohgoli@protecode.com> wrote:

How about
"Possibly Licensed Unpaid Software" - PLUS ?!

Then we can have FOSSPLUS :)

-----Original Message-----
From: McGlade, Debra [mailto:dmcglade@qualcomm.com]
Sent: 22-June-12 4:50 PM
To: RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL); koohgoli@protecode.com; spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: RE: Spdx Digest, Vol 22, Issue 33

How about:

"Possibly, Might-be free Software" (PMS)

:)

-Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: spdx-bounces@lists.spdx.org [mailto:spdx-bounces@lists.spdx.org] On
Behalf Of RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL)
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:05 PM
To: koohgoli@protecode.com; spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: RE: Spdx Digest, Vol 22, Issue 33

None of this expression is covering proprietary software delivered free of
cost but with an EULA, except the last one but it is not very accurate

Michel.Ruffin@Alcatel-Lucent.com, PhD
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Member of Technical Staff Tel +33 (0) 6 75 25 21 94 Alcatel-Lucent
International, Centre de Villarceaux Route De Villejust, 91620 Nozay,
France



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PDC- Public Domain Code?
PAS- Publicly Accessible Software
CAS- Community Accessible Software?
GAC- Generally Accessible Code?

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1. RE: "Scope" of licenses to be covered by SPDX (Mike Milinkovich)


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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:21:22 -0400
From: "Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org>
To: "'RUFFIN, MICHEL \(MICHEL\)'" <michel.ruffin@alcatel-lucent.com>,
<Soeren_Rabenstein@asus.com>, <mjherzog@nexb.com>,
<spdx@lists.spdx.org>
Subject: RE: "Scope" of licenses to be covered by SPDX
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RMS - "Random May-be-free Stuff"?



Wait. That acronym's also taken. Darn!



<<Sorry, I just couldn't resist :) >>



More seriously: my apologies, but no good name or acronym immediately
comes
to mind.



From: RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL) [mailto:michel.ruffin@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: June-22-12 2:58 PM
To: mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org; Soeren_Rabenstein@asus.com;
mjherzog@nexb.com; spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: RE: "Scope" of licenses to be covered by SPDX



Ok now we have an understanding, any suggestion ?



Michel.Ruffin@Alcatel-Lucent.com, PhD
Software Coordination Manager, Bell Labs, Corporate CTO Dpt Distinguished
Member of Technical Staff Tel +33 (0) 6 75 25 21 94 Alcatel-Lucent
International, Centre de Villarceaux Route De Villejust, 91620 Nozay,
France


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De : Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org]
Envoy? : vendredi 22 juin 2012 20:43
? : RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL); Soeren_Rabenstein@asus.com;
mjherzog@nexb.com;
spdx@lists.spdx.org Objet : RE: "Scope" of licenses to be covered by SPDX



Re: "?Free and Open source Software? it is ?Free and/or Open source
software?; "



I understand that. Which is why I said it is the union, rather than the
intersection.



In my highly simplified view, the FSF defines what free software is, and
the
OSI defines what open source software is. If you're going to include a
bunch
of other stuff that does not meet either of those definitions, then please
(pretty please!) do not refer to your definition as FOSS or FLOSS. Find
some
other name, because that one's taken.





From: RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL) [mailto:michel.ruffin@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: June-22-12 1:55 PM
To: mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org; Soeren_Rabenstein@asus.com;
mjherzog@nexb.com; spdx@lists.spdx.org
Subject: RE: "Scope" of licenses to be covered by SPDX



We do not discuss or put into question the FSF and OSI definitions of FOSS
(I know them by heart, I understand the philosophy behind them and respect
them). We try to make a definition of what should be the scope of software
subject to the clause that we put in the contracts and it is broader than
open source traditional definition. So perhaps the term ?FOSS? is
chocking
you for that. But this is why we need to discuss and standardize. For me
FOSS is not ?Free and Open source Software? it is ?Free and/or Open source
software?; Now should we select another term in this context? I am totally
open minded on this. Call it NPS (non-purchased software) or whatever, but
even this wording will not fit with shareware for instance.



Michel

Michel.Ruffin@Alcatel-Lucent.com, PhD
Software Coordination Manager, Bell Labs, Corporate CTO Dpt Distinguished
Member of Technical Staff Tel +33 (0) 6 75 25 21 94 Alcatel-Lucent
International, Centre de Villarceaux Route De Villejust, 91620 Nozay,
France


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De : Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org]
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Envoy? : vendredi 22 juin 2012 19:25
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mjherzog@nexb.com;
spdx@lists.spdx.org Objet : RE: "Scope" of licenses to be covered by SPDX



Re: " Out of this topic we just discussed (in my understanding) what could
be a proper definition of ?FOSS?. "



The Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the Open Source Initiative (OSI)
are
the two organizations which, in my opinion, define what FOSS is. Any
attempt
to define FOSS which do not take into account the collective wisdom and
process that went into their respective license lists [1][2] would be a
big
mistake.



FOSS = Free and Open Source Software, which is the union of software which
meets the definition of Free Software[3] and Open Source Software[4].



I have seen attempts in the past to expand the definition of FOSS beyond
licensing to include other parameters such as open development processes
and
the like. They've all been spectacularly unsuccessful. There be dragons.



In the interest of full disclosure, in addition to by day job at the
Eclipse
Foundation, I am also a Director of the OSI.



[1] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses

[2] http://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical

[3] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

[4] http://opensource.org/docs/osd





Mike Milinkovich

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Eclipse Foundation, Inc.

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Out of this topic we just discussed (in my understanding) what could be a
proper definition of ?FOSS?.



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