Re: Import and export function of SPDX

Jilayne Lovejoy <jilayne.lovejoy@...>

(Apologies for falling off this exchange - had some other things come up
and am now getting caught up with various responses - lots of great
discussion, though!)

On 6/13/12 9:34 AM, "RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL)"
<michel.ruffin@...> wrote:

So far our FOSS clauses are not aligned on the SPDX standard (we are
already happy when suppliers can comply to our requirements without too
much discussion so we did not formalize things too much)
One thing I noticed immediately about your clauses is the definition of
FOSS - which is quite broad. While I can understand why it might make
sense to use a broad definition for contracts, it includes some categories
of software (e.g. (ii) and (iii) in your definition) that other
people/parties might not consider "FOSS." In terms of the SPDX License
List, for example, I believe (if memory serves) that we discussed to what
"kinds" of licenses should be included on the list and an argument against
including, what I would refer to as "freeware" licenses (usually under
some kind of click-through EULA that more resembles a more traditional,
restrictive IP license, than open source) should not be on the list.
I don't know if this definition's breadth would necessarily create a
conflict in practical reality or not, but thought I'd at least point it

What we request is the name of FOSS, the name of the license if it is OSI
compliant, or a copy of the license if it is not, the nature of the FOSS:
is it a library, a standalone software, an interpreter, ... in order to
determine if there is some potential contamination as with GPL.

Now we have already aligned our database on the SPDX taxonomy for naming
licenses, we will soon ask our suppliers to align on this taxonomy. I
have already prepared a document (in copy) to distribute to our suppliers
and partners on SPDX.
Thanks for sharing this. Really great to hear that you have adopted the
SPDX License List already. I'm not sure if you or anyone from your team
is on the legal work group mailing list, but that may be helpful to stay
on top of issues/updates/discussion there. (for example, a new version of
the license list was just uploaded this week :)


Jilayne Lovejoy | Corporate Counsel
OpenLogic, Inc.

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-----Message d'origine-----
De : Jilayne Lovejoy [mailto:jilayne.lovejoy@...]
Envoyé : mercredi 13 juin 2012 16:08
À : RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL); Gary O'Neall; Peter Williams
Cc : spdx-tech@...; spdx@...
Objet : Re: Import and export function of SPDX

Hi Michel,

Thanks again for sharing your information. In regards to your posting (to
both this group and the FSF legal network) about the legal clauses, I have
noticed this and apologize as well for not responding sooner (it's still
in my inbox as a to-do item, sadly). In any case, a couple thoughts. It
is my understanding from your previous email(s), that you'd like to see
some kind of FOSS-related legal clause resource, is that correct? At the
moment, this is not within the scope of SPDX (albeit a great idea
generally!). This is probably something that could be discussed further
in terms of something to consider tackling in the longer-term road map.

More specifically, your "list of FOSS" clause (a)(ii), you require the
name of the license, license text, and whether it is OSI certified or not.
This is all information capture in the SPDX License List. Do you have an
internal list as well? If so, it would be great to discuss aligning any
licenses on your list for potential inclusion on the SPDX License List, if
not already included there and otherwise coordinating.


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On 6/13/12 6:45 AM, "RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL)"
<michel.ruffin@...> wrote:

Gary, I think in my previous mail I expressed our use case:
1) getting information from our suppliers on FOSS included in their
products in order to respect license obligations and to provide this to
our customers
2) automate the work of ALU for accepting this FOSS in our products
3) being able to provide the same information to our customers.

I think it is covered by actual use cases, if not I can do a new one.

Now I would like to attract your attention on a document that I sent few
months ago to this mailing list and also to the FSF legal network group.
Which are the clauses that we put in the contracts with our suppliers and
their rationnal. The goal is to standardize these clauses and I receive
no feedback from anybody on this.

This should illustrate the use case. And I understand that I should use
the FSF legal network to discuss this. But I am very surprised that there
is no reaction/interest in this. It has been a huge ALU effort to shape
these conditions in order to reach acceptance to these conditions by most

Michel.Ruffin@..., PhD
Software Coordination Manager, Bell Labs, Corporate CTO Dpt
Distinguished Member of Technical Staff
Tel +33 (0) 6 75 25 21 94
Alcatel-Lucent International, Centre de Villarceaux
Route De Villejust, 91620 Nozay, France

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Gary O'Neall [mailto:gary@...]
Envoyé : mardi 12 juin 2012 19:29
À : 'Peter Williams'; RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL)
Cc : spdx-tech@...; spdx@...
Objet : RE: Import and export function of SPDX

I believe the current SPDX tools will treat both RDF and Tag/Value in the
same manner - the documents will be readable by the tools but it will
fail a
validation (missing required field). For the command line tools, the
conversions or pretty printing will still work but you will get warning.

In terms of making the fields optional - I can see this as a valuable
for some of the use cases where that information is not available. There
need to make sure the components described in the SPDX file match the
file artifacts, but that need can be filled by the per-file information.

Michel - Which use case best describes your use of SPDX
( If there isn't a good
representation of your use case(s), could you provide a brief
I want to make sure we cover this when working on SPDX 2.0.


-----Original Message-----
From: spdx-tech-bounces@...
[mailto:spdx-tech-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Williams
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:27 AM
Cc: spdx-tech@...; spdx@...
Subject: Re: Import and export function of SPDX

On Tue Jun 12 06:02:03 2012, RUFFIN, MICHEL (MICHEL) wrote:
We have an issue with 2 fields that do not exist in our database.: the
name of the archive file and the checksum. In the SPDX standard they
are mandatory and I do not see why would it be possibly to make them
I think making those fields optional would be advantageous. Would you
filing a bug[1] so that we don't forget to look into the issue for the

As for your immediate issues of not having data for those fields, if you
using RDF i'd just skip them altogether in the SPDX file. While your file
will technically be invalid all reasonable SPDX consumers will not have a
problem with that information being absent unless they need it to
their goal. (In which case they cannot use your SPDX files, anyway.) If
are using the tag-value format skipping the fields altogether will, i
prove problematic due to that format's stricter syntactic constraints.
or Gary, can you confirm this?)



PS: I am cc-ing the technical working group because it's participants are
best suited to answer these sorts of issues.

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