Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"


Mike Milinkovich
 

I had no idea we were such troublemakers!

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Fontana [mailto:rfontana@...]
Sent: March-02-12 10:26 AM
To: Tom Incorvia
Cc: Ed Warnicke (eaw); spdx-legal@...;
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Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

Just as an amusing followup, today I was on an email thread where someone
referred to the EPL as "an Eclipse license". But I think that must reflect the
person's relative lack of familiarity with the EPL. In the same thread everyone
else referred to it as the EPL.

Actually, come to think of it, "an Eclipse license" is technically not incorrect
since the Eclipse Foundation has at least one other Eclipse branded license,
the Eclipse Distribution License 1.0 -- though this is essentially identical to the
3-clause BSD license and may be entirley identical in an SPDX sense. But it
also shows that it could be misleading to refer to the EPL as "Eclipse 1.0" since
there *is* another Eclipse 1.0 license. :)

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 09:44:01PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks all, your replies are truly appreciated.

I withdraw the request to change the License identifier for the Eclipse
Public License from EPL-1.0 to Eclipse-1.0.

Separately, we are looking for knowledgeable individuals like those who
replied to participate more fully with SPDX. Please consider joining one of
the SPDX working teams.

Thanks,

Tom

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Warnicke (eaw) [mailto:eaw@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:08 PM
To: Richard Fontana
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Subject: Re: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
PublicLicense 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"

I've only ever heard it referenced as the EPL.



On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "Richard Fontana" <rfontana@...>
wrote:

FWIW, I don't think I've ever encountered "Eclipse" meaning "Eclipse
Public License". Always EPL or the full expanded name.

- Richard



On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 07:48:09PM -0600, Tom Incorvia wrote:
Thanks Mike,



The Eclipse Foundation certainly gets the big vote regarding how
their license is referred to.



My experience is primarily commercial ISVs in the tools space,
about a dozen, ranging in yearly revenue from $50M to $500M. In
written correspondence over a period of several years, the phrase
"Eclipse 1.0" is used more than 15x "EPL 1.0". The folks using the
”Eclipse 1.0” term have included many substantial contributors to the
Eclipse project (for instance, Borland Software).



Let’s let this cook for one more day.



If the feedback continues as it has, I’ll simply withdraw the
request. Like you, I am surprised at the disparity in usage of the
abbreviated term – I rarely see EPL, and assumed that this
suggestion would pass through the SPDX group as more of an FYI.



Thanks again -- it is great to have community postings so the
broadest view is represented.



Tom



Tom Incorvia

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From: Mike Milinkovich [mailto:mike.milinkovich@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License 1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Tom,



FWIW, It is certainly news to me that people refer to the EPL as
"Eclipse". I have universally heard it referred to as the EPL. I
have literally never heard it referred to as Eclipse.



I don't have a strong feeling about this one way or another. I just
find it surprising that my experience is so contrary to yours.



Mike Milinkovich

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Sent: February-29-12 4:00 PM
To: spdx-legal@...; spdx-tech@...
Cc: SPDX
Subject: Recommend Changing SPDX License Identifier for Eclipse
Public License
1.0 to "Eclipse-1.0"



Hello SPDX license list interested parties,



I would like to propose that we change the License Identifier for
the Eclipse Public License 1.0 on the SPDX License List from “EPL-1.0” to
“Eclipse-1.0”.



I suggest this because “Eclipse” is how the license is commonly referred
to.



Secondarily, I have recently received 2 calls when documents
referred to EPL-1.0, and the Identifier was simply not visually
recognized by the user (yes, they could have clicked the link, but if
Eclipse is the common usage,
let’s go with it unless there is a cost).



Any concerns?



Thanks,



Tom



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